661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[mdavlee]

Rocky mountain atv is where I buy about once a year. Over 99 is free shipping.

 

[KG441c]

I bought a Liter (1.05 quart) of H1R on ebay for like $20 shipped. came right to my door

I plan to run it about 40 to 45:1 that is where my test showed the best performance on my stock 661.

So the liter bottle of H1R would make about 10-12 gallons

Ive seen on ebay:
h1r $20.18 per l
800t $ 23.54 per l
r50 $14.08 per l
Yamalube r2 11.16 per l

 

[bwalker]

Really?

That was in refer a to Mopar and red bull.

 

[bwalker]

Is that your way of saying you don't have any real answers, just opinions?

You are not going to get any science on this subject for the most part, just tribal knowledge which you have to sort through. The problem is most people here don't want to listen nor have the knowledge or the ambition to do what it takes to learn, they just want argue to fit there pre conseved notions.

 

[Roll Tide]

You are not going to get any science on this subject for the most part, just tribal knowledge which you have to sort through. The problem is most people here don't want to listen, the just want argue to fit there pre conseved notions.

And if its not in line with you than is completely wrong it seems.

 

[KG441c]

You are not going to get any science on this subject for the most part, just tribal knowledge which you have to sort through. The problem is most people here don't want to listen, the just want argue to fit there pre conseved notions.

Well I think the problem here is most people feel u have no evidence other than your personal use of some of these oils ? You seem very smart and knowledgeable but what makes us believe your word or opinion over anyone else opinions? There are alota folks that have probably seen as many or more internals and different oils used than you on this site? What is your accreditation and certifications to be the autority on the subject here? No disrespect here because you are way over my head in the subject but I think folks need an explanation and anwser to your opinions and certifications

 

[bwalker]

And if its not in line with you than is completely wrong it seems.

That's not true at all, but I would challenge you to find one thing I have said that is technically wrong..

 

[Roll Tide]

From what many others have said it seems you may be a bit wrong on H1R but would you admit if you were?

 

[redbull660]

That's not true at all, but I would challenge you to find one thing I have said that is technically wrong..

you said ester burns dirty. I do not know how more azz backwards you could get then that.

Ester is as pure as it gets and burns the CLEANEST of all the synthetic variants out there.

 

[Roll Tide]

you said ester burns dirty. I do not know how more azz backwards you could get then that.

Ester is as pure as it gets and burns the CLEANEST of all the synthetic variants out there.

And that my friend is a fact

 

[bwalker]

you said ester burns dirty. I do not know how more azz backwards you could get then that.

Ester is as pure as it gets and burns the CLEANEST of all the synthetic variants out there.

Frankly your completely wrong and making a complete blanket statement. How clean an oil combusts is influenced by its end point and the manner that it chemicaly breaks down when exposed to heat. Castor for instance polymerization when exposed to high heat and essentially turns into a grease. PIB unzips in the same conditions and combusts cleanly. Esters largely function the same way. The factor you are not considering is the fact that while esters do in fact combust cleanly with minimal residue,they still have to be designed such that there end point is matched to the design of the engine. A ester oil that combusts cleanly at 1000 degrees will only partially combust at 800,numbers are just hypothetical btw..
I know this doesn't fit with your childish more is better mentality, but it's the truth.
And 2r doesn't have 20% solvent. More like 10%, which isn't a bad thing..
And for the tenth time. Mobil.MX2t was an ester oil and I liked it alot. Wish I could still get it. So I have nothing against them, I just am not blinded by marketing speak.

 

[KG441c]

Fair enough. I have a BS degree in a unrelated field, I worked for several years in R&D for a automotive mfg company, I currently work in a management capacity pertaining to the operation of GE turbine generators, I have had technical training in tribology, CBM, vibration and acoustic analysis. I have also raced two stroke snowmobiles motor cycles and have worked with a friend racing kt-100 and cr-125 based shifter karts. I took years researching this subject, reading guys like Bell, Blair, Jennings and luring over SAE papers. I was also mentored by a couple guys who I won't mention their names on the internet. One of which designed an oil and race fuel for Phillips 66 that was Taylor ed to Shifter karts. one of the other guys was a mechanic and engine buikder for a multi time world 500cc go champion.

Impressive! U have my respect!! Lol!!

 

[bwalker]

And that my friend is a fact

And that there is telling... telling how little you engage your brain.

 

[Mastermind]

You are not going to get any science on this subject for the most part, just tribal knowledge which you have to sort through. The problem is most people here don't want to listen nor have the knowledge or the ambition to do what it takes to learn, they just want argue to fit there pre conseved notions.

Fair enough.

I'd have to agree with what you've said here.

I really would like to hear what it is about H1R that you dislike so much.

That's the one thing I'm asking about more than any other.

Please?

 

[KG441c]

Maybe we all need some lessons on brain engagements Walker!! Lol!!!! U may need to lecture on that subject instead of oil

 

[bwalker]

Fair enough.

I'd have to agree with what you've said here.

I really would like to hear what it is about H1R that you dislike so much.

That's the one thing I'm asking about more than any other.

Please?

Its dirty and it inhibits combustion.

 

[bwalker]

Maybe we all need some lessons on brain engagements Walker!! Lol!!!! U may need to lecture on that subject instead of oil

Not all, but quit a few..

 

[Mastermind]

I've not seen where it's dirty......but there's a lot I've yet to see.

So, it's lack of combustible solvents is why you dislike it, but Motul 800 also has no solvents. Do you dislike it as well?

 

[KG441c]

H1r 32:1 2000hrs!!!! Lol jus kiddin

 

[KG441c]

Its dirty and it inhibits combustion.

I had this discussion with the tech at Maxima about k2. He said the same about the higher flashpt hendering combustion hence producing less energy. Said the lower flashpt in k2 allowed more efficient and complete combustion