Another ebay gripe!

[Jtheo]

How can any bidders have anything but positive????

They can't now, because eBay changed the rules. Sellers can only leave positive feedback, nothing else.

 

[Jtheo]

PayPal should have all the messages. I would call them to explain your side of the dispute.

You sold the saw as is, and he has disassembled the saw. He may have run it on straight gas. That information should take care of the problem.

The fact that this guy has zero feedback is not going to weigh in his favor.

 

[Jtheo]

I have sold on eBay for several years, but I am going to wind it up this Fall. With all the fees to pay, and the cost of shipping supplies, it's hard to make any money.

I have always hated to sell a chainsaw on eBay because the buyer can run it on straight gas. But I have sold several anyway.

But there have been headaches no matter what I sold, and a certain percentage of buyers that will try to cause a problem.

I have lost some money because of buyers that took advantage of my good nature, but they only got to do it one time. I would block them from bidding on anything I had in the future, so they only got one shot at me.

 

[DougNH]

I must be lucky with Ebay buyers but I've dealt with some jokers when I am the buyer. There were 3 transactions in a row where I didn't get anything. First it was a PS7900 that supposedly was supposedly dropped and smashed on an icy driveway on the way to the Post Office (which I found hard to believe, since it would have been boxed up at that point?), then an unlimited OEM coil that was "lost" and finally the $450 brand new 357XP's where another AS memeber and I both got taken (Paypal eventually did refund us). It's hard to stay away from Ebay because it opens up a huge audience for something you want to sell, but all the fees are a PITA. When Bing Cashback is 10% or more on "Buy it Now" items it's hard to resist buying something...

 

[bigredd]

They can't now, because eBay changed the rules. Sellers can only leave positive feedback, nothing else.

Did not know that. Makes no sense. However I have seen auctions requiring bidder history, mostly on pricey items.

 

[woodchuckbiker]

I hate to make this my first post, but here goes:

1) Things look very different as the buyer in this transaction. Matt became hostile very quickly, jumping to conclusions, which was totally unnecessary. I am a Christian and have never purposely ripped someone off, I'm only trying to protect myself from financial loss. There are impending layoffs where I work, and I will need a saw to produce income. After waiting 12 days and still no sign of the saw, I became worried and filed a dispute (not a claim). Wouldn't you be worried?

2) Matt was the one who escalated the Paypal dispute to a claim. I only counterclaimed to get a little time to know what I am getting into. The Husky dealer said that the compression was 95, and anything less than 100 is low. I've always thought that under 125-130 is low. I borrowed a compression tester later in the day, and it read 125. The saw runs fine under no load, but bogs a little in the wood. I think it needs to be re-ringed as a minimum. It also was very poorly packed and I had to fish around in the bottom of the box for the bar clamp nuts and the chain, all rattling around loose. The oiler is puking oil everywhere too.

I never "disassembled the saw." I pulled the muffler and looked inside. I had written that I "pulled the muffler and the exhaust side of the piston looked fine, but there is some noticeable wear with light scoring on the intake side of the cylinder". All this is seen from the exhaust port! Matt completely mis-read or misinterpreted what I wrote.

3) Instead of trying to resolve the situation amicably, Matt's responses have been essentially "FU, you're stuck with this saw." which does not help the situation one bit.

4) Despite the fact that the saw is a huge disappointment and my situation probably dictates that I should return it and buy a cheap new saw like a 455, I'm going to eat it and try to fix it. The Paypal claim has been released, and his account should be unfrozen. If the roles were reversed in this situation, I would have responded much, much differently. If Matt does indeed have a conscience, he has every opportunity to make things right. My conscience is clear. He only had to wait a couple of extra days to get his money, which pales in comparison to my wait time (2 weeks to get the saw, and likely another week to get it running right).

5) All this talk about swapping parts and straight gassing etc. are ridiculous. Once again, jumping to conclusions without knowing both sides of the story.

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[Chaz1]

I wouldn't touch e-bay or craigslist to save my life. Too many potential headaches.

Ah hem!!!!!!!! Need I say more?

 

[Fish]

I hate to make this my first post, but here goes:

1) Things look very different as the buyer in this transaction. Matt became hostile very quickly, jumping to conclusions, which was totally unnecessary. I am a Christian and have never purposely ripped someone off, I'm only trying to protect myself from financial loss. There are impending layoffs where I work, and I will need a saw to produce income. After waiting 12 days and still no sign of the saw, I became worried and filed a dispute (not a claim). Wouldn't you be worried?

2) Matt was the one who escalated the Paypal dispute to a claim. I only counterclaimed to get a little time to know what I am getting into. The Husky dealer said that the compression was 95, and anything less than 100 is low. I've always thought that under 125-130 is low. I borrowed a compression tester later in the day, and it read 125. The saw runs fine under no load, but bogs a little in the wood. I think it needs to be re-ringed as a minimum. It also was very poorly packed and I had to fish around in the bottom of the box for the bar clamp nuts and the chain, all rattling around loose. The oiler is puking oil everywhere too.

I never "disassembled the saw." I pulled the muffler and looked inside. I had written that I "pulled the muffler and the exhaust side of the piston looked fine, but there is some noticeable wear with light scoring on the intake side of the cylinder". All this is seen from the exhaust port! Matt completely mis-read or misinterpreted what I wrote.

3) Instead of trying to resolve the situation amicably, Matt's responses have been essentially "FU, you're stuck with this saw." which does not help the situation one bit.

4) Despite the fact that the saw is a huge disappointment and my situation probably dictates that I should return it and buy a cheap new saw like a 455, I'm going to eat it and try to fix it. The Paypal claim has been released, and his account should be unfrozen. If the roles were reversed in this situation, I would have responded much, much differently. If Matt does indeed have a conscience, he has every opportunity to make things right. My conscience is clear. He only had to wait a couple of extra days to get his money, which pales in comparison to my wait time (2 weeks to get the saw, and likely another week to get it running right).

5) All this talk about swapping parts and straight gassing etc. are ridiculous. Once again, jumping to conclusions without knowing both sides of the story.

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Welcome as a new member, I recently parted out a 268
and have some odd parts about that may help make the
saw work out better.
What do you need for the oiler system?

Maybe someone else may have an odd part laying around
to chip in as well.

The rear handle is unusable?

 

[MotorSeven]

But, you bid based on the saws description and information that was present. There are always a ton of unknowns when buying a saw sight unseen. Did you ask any questions before you bid? As buyers, the burden falls on us to ask those questions that we require to make an informed decision. The reason we buy used machines is to save $ on it's original value. It always comes with a risk. He said he did not have a compression tester, yet you bought the saw anyway. Reading all of this, I don't think that there was any intentional misreprentation, but the possibility always exists.

RD

 

[woodchuckbiker]

I wouldn't touch e-bay or craigslist to save my life. Too many potential headaches.

I'm right there with ya bro.

Welcome as a new member, I recently parted out a 268
and have some odd parts about that may help make the
saw work out better.
What do you need for the oiler system?

Maybe someone else may have an odd part laying around
to chip in as well.

The rear handle is unusable?

Thanks, and thanks for the offer, but I think that from now on, my local dealer(s) will be getting ALL of my business including parts for this disaster.

But, you bid based on the saws description and information that was present.... He said he did not have a compression tester, yet you bought the saw anyway. Reading all of this, I don't think that there was any intentional misreprentation, but the possibility always exists.

RD

But if information is missing, or exaggerated (or worse) then what? He said that "compression feels good" and I took that as word. I suppose it's just a case of me trusting too much.

My other option is probably to find a tree service (there are many in this area) that needs a good parts saw, wash my hands of this one and buy another one from a local dealer with what's left on a credit card. A MS361 is looking good right about now.

 

[Fish]

Well I was offering to give {chip in} the oiler/parts, as well as any other odds and ends. Can't do that with the rear handle though.

Offer still stands, just let me know.

 

[SkippyKtm]

I hate to make this my first post, but here goes:

1) Things look very different as the buyer in this transaction. Matt became hostile very quickly, jumping to conclusions, which was totally unnecessary. I am a Christian and have never purposely ripped someone off, I'm only trying to protect myself from financial loss. There are impending layoffs where I work, and I will need a saw to produce income. After waiting 12 days and still no sign of the saw, I became worried and filed a dispute (not a claim). Wouldn't you be worried?

2) Matt was the one who escalated the Paypal dispute to a claim. I only counterclaimed to get a little time to know what I am getting into. The Husky dealer said that the compression was 95, and anything less than 100 is low. I've always thought that under 125-130 is low. I borrowed a compression tester later in the day, and it read 125. The saw runs fine under no load, but bogs a little in the wood. I think it needs to be re-ringed as a minimum. It also was very poorly packed and I had to fish around in the bottom of the box for the bar clamp nuts and the chain, all rattling around loose. The oiler is puking oil everywhere too.

I never "disassembled the saw." I pulled the muffler and looked inside. I had written that I "pulled the muffler and the exhaust side of the piston looked fine, but there is some noticeable wear with light scoring on the intake side of the cylinder". All this is seen from the exhaust port! Matt completely mis-read or misinterpreted what I wrote.

3) Instead of trying to resolve the situation amicably, Matt's responses have been essentially "FU, you're stuck with this saw." which does not help the situation one bit.

4) Despite the fact that the saw is a huge disappointment and my situation probably dictates that I should return it and buy a cheap new saw like a 455, I'm going to eat it and try to fix it. The Paypal claim has been released, and his account should be unfrozen. If the roles were reversed in this situation, I would have responded much, much differently. If Matt does indeed have a conscience, he has every opportunity to make things right. My conscience is clear. He only had to wait a couple of extra days to get his money, which pales in comparison to my wait time (2 weeks to get the saw, and likely another week to get it running right).

5) All this talk about swapping parts and straight gassing etc. are ridiculous. Once again, jumping to conclusions without knowing both sides of the story.

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This thread has gotten much more interesting, Its always nice to hear both sides of the story....opcorn:

 

[dragrcr]

seems like he dosnt want it to end well

 

[woodchuckbiker]

seems like he dosnt want it to end well

Who? I already ended it. Even left the seller positive feedback, while holding my nose the whole time. It might not end well for the saw though. They're repaving a section of road nearby

 

[Brimmstone]

seems like he dosnt want it to end well

I agree especially when he won't back up his claims with any proof. If he supposedly says the piston had marks put up a pic of them. He went and joined the site to put up his side but no proof as such. Says the shop said it had low compression but he checked it himself and says it had 125. Then posts that he is thinking of destroying the saw so he can maintain being the injured party. As to the saw bogging in the cut the saw might just needed tuned. I've heard of many shops adjusting saws down to what they say is safe.

 

[Fish]

I agree especially when he won't back up his claims with any proof. If he supposedly says the piston had marks put up a pic of them. He went and joined the site to put up his side but no proof as such. Says the shop said it had low compression but he checked it himself and says it had 125. Then posts that he is thinking of destroying the saw so he can maintain being the injured party. As to the saw bogging in the cut the saw might just needed tuned. I've heard of many shops adjusting saws down to what they say is safe.

Are you suggesting that we have a forum just to settle disputes? Why are you taking Matt's side? He has more posts, is that why?

The guy has given positive feedback, and it is over. He posted to this thread
to put forward his side, as would I. I am not taking any side in this, as
we all should as this thread has no place here in the first place.

If he posted pics of the piston damage, which would be hard to do without disassembly, then you would flip back on his side, some might, some might
stay on Matt's side, and it will go on, everyone gets sore about it, and nothing will get accomplished anyway.

Maybe Darin could start a new forum, A.S. People's Court........

Judge Spacemule presiding........



Nah, better to not have these threads to begin with, or if we do, post your side first so everyone will believe your side more......

At any rate, no ill feelings toward any one, heck, I will even donate the labor to fix the saw, make a picture filled thread out of it.

 

[Brimmstone]

Fish people come here to post so they don't do things they and others will regret. Do I regret no breaking the jaw of the dipstick I sold my 385 to? Yes I would feel alot better after he tried to rip me off for almost 500 bucks. On the other side my wife would have had to use the money to bail me out of jail and then I wold have to deal with a lawsuit. Matt posted here to blow off steam and ask what others would do that had been in a similar situation. Woodchuckbiker still hasn't posted any proof to his claims that the saw was grossly misrepresented. He hasn't presented any proof it has been to a shop just his word. He admits that the compression number he got was higher than what the dealer got so that makes me question if he even bothered to take it to a dealer. Matt posted that Woodchuck messaged him that there are scars on the intake side of the piston. I haven't seen that message but if there are put up a pic to prove it. As to poor packing it happens. I've gotten several saws that I got burnt on. I'm dealing with a 394 now that usps delivered with a giant hole in the oil tank. The seller is working with me to supply me with a new case which I will use to fix the one I originally bought.

 

[Fish]

Fish people come here to post so they don't do things they and others will regret. Do I regret no breaking the jaw of the dipstick I sold my 385 to? Yes I would feel alot better after he tried to rip me off for almost 500 bucks. On the other side my wife would have had to use the money to bail me out of jail and then I wold have to deal with a lawsuit. Matt posted here to blow off steam and ask what others would do that had been in a similar situation. Woodchuckbiker still hasn't posted any proof to his claims that the saw was grossly misrepresented. He hasn't presented any proof it has been to a shop just his word. He admits that the compression number he got was higher than what the dealer got so that makes me question if he even bothered to take it to a dealer. Matt posted that Woodchuck messaged him that there are scars on the intake side of the piston. I haven't seen that message but if there are put up a pic to prove it. As to poor packing it happens. I've gotten several saws that I got burnt on. I'm dealing with a 394 now that usps delivered with a giant hole in the oil tank. The seller is working with me to supply me with a new case which I will use to fix the one I originally bought.

Kind of my point.......

Suppose he dis-assembles the saw and shows damage from dirt ingestion,
and then you join his side, what then???

They are both members here now. Does the elder member get the benefit of the doubt? If he does, then what????

If we have a poll, after both sides plead their case, does the winner of the
poll win the case? If he does, what does he win? Who will lay out the terms?
Who will enforce them? Does this belong here?

Anyone?

 

[Brimmstone]

If Matt has told the truth that Woodchuckbiker sent him a message saying it has scars he has already torn it apart. I understand that Woodchuckbiker joined the site to give his side but has now said that Matt basically gave him the blow off. If you bad mouth someone supply proof.

I know EVERY MESSAGE from ebay or paypal I get including the ones I get directly are saved in a folder till the sale is closed and final because of this.

I will says this Fish I commend you on trying to help Woodchuckbiker out with parts. If I had any extra 262 parts I'd be offering them also to try and save one of the best saws ever made.

Do I agree there should be a separate forum for gripes and complaints like this definitely. Two other sites I'm at have them. I've asked about sellers myself in the past because I had no dealings with them or things became questionable.

 

[Fish]

He stated that he saw the cylinder wall from the exhaust port.

At any rate, he has left positive feedback and Matt's funds should be freed
up.

I doubt Darin would want a "courtroom" forum, as all it does is stir up
bad feelings, but I don't know, he may.

Would be kind on interesting, both parties agree to abide by the decision,
and let a poll decide the case............
Another poll to award the dollar amount of the judgement............

MMMnnnn. I am on to something.


As far as offering to fix the saw for woodchuck, I just want him to stick around here, we need all of the good "spellers" we can get............