Been playing with a MS400C

[Stihl User]

C'mon, you know you want one. First cut's free!

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The Tempter came and said: "If you are a real Pro - do not listen to your wife and buy the damn saw."

Thank God i have a guardian Angel that says: "time for a fresh brew of coffee......"

 

[Stihl User]

C'mon, you know you want one. First cut's free!

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Are you allowed to post pics of Centerfolds on here.............!!!

 

[Hundred Acre Wood]

No, it's not. The regular carb saws can have the c designation as well. Has nothing to do with mtronics. Heck my old ms192tc is carbed. T for top handle c for comfort frestures. Absolutely nothing to do with mtronic. The 400's proper nomenclature is a ms400c-m just the same as any other stihl saw. No c, no comfort features. For whatever reason they don't have the m on the starter cover.

Not to try to have a reasonable conversation in the middle of this nonsense, but there's weirdness in the way Stihl has been doing things lately.

The model is called a C which still stands for Comfort. But the latest generation of 261,362,462, etc. have a "c" on the recoil cover. And the only models that have a "C" on the recoil cover are the M-Tronic ones. This is crazy inconsistent for any German company, especially Stihl, but that's what they've been doing.

Drives me crazy because all it does is cause confusion.

 

[lone wolf]

https://www.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/professional-saws/ms500i/#specifications

Not to try to have a reasonable conversation in the middle of this nonsense, but there's weirdness in the way Stihl has been doing things lately.

The model is called a C which still stands for Comfort. But the latest generation of 261,362,462, etc. have a "c" on the recoil cover. And the only models that have a "C" on the recoil cover are the M-Tronic ones. This is crazy inconsistent for any German company, especially Stihl, but that's what they've been doing.

Drives me crazy because all it does is cause confusion.

Im still trying to figure out the series numbers!

 

[bwalker]

Could harm the saw. 2-stroke engines use a scavenging system that requires back pressure, that the muffler provides.

Of course all the experts here will give testimony that if you do anything that makes more noise, then that is more power, and that is ALL good. To that I don't agree, but what do I know. I'm not an expert, like everybody here is.

in a non tuned exhaust two stroke back pressure hinders scavenging in most respects. Thats why most saws make nore power with less exhaust restriction. It's also undisputable that they run cooler with less exhaust restriction.

 

[bwalker]

So go buy one. Parts availability? And fuel injection ain't better than a Carb?Ill keep my 500I.

You couldn't give me a Solo. They have always been a half azzed saw company with no distribution and no parts network. No thanks.

 

[lone wolf]

in a non tuned exhaust two stroke back pressure hinders scavenging in most respects. Thats why most saws make nore power with less exhaust restriction. It's also undisputable that they run cooler with less exhaust restriction.

You couldn't give me a Solo. They have always been a half asset saw company with no distribution and no parts network. No thanks.

Thats what I suspected I know the Dolmars are like that too. What would the ol boy do when his solo stopped running?

 

[bwalker]

that same devil had the SOLO 681 canceled/discontinued because it made a mockery of Stihl and was in direct conflict with the Dolmar 7900 since it was built off of it's design

UH no. Most professionals if asked about a Solo or a Dolmar wouldn't know what your even talking about. They have had nearly zero exposure in the US pro market or homeowner market. This may hurt some feelers but Echo is in the same boat.

 

[Stihl User]

UH no. Most professionals if asked about a Solo or a Dolmar wouldn't know what your even talking about. They have had nearly zero exposure in the US pro market or homeowner market. This may hurt some feelers but Echo is in the same boat.

If on the table were presented a MS500i and a SOLO 681 = 95% would grab the MS500i

those of us who are not persuaded by Stihl loyalty and BLING would grab the 681

 

[sean donato]

problems with straight carbs are a easy inexpensive fix and they are very reliable when using the correct/fresh fuel

Negative. Had a 562xp with the el42 carb and went 10 years before acting up. Down side is husqy updated them so many times I couldn't get one. Not really any different then any other obsolete part. This stuff is pretty simple to work on and their track record is pretty solid anymore. Not saying they don't give issues, but no more then anything else.

 

[Stihl User]

Negative. Had a 562xp with the el42 carb and went 10 years before acting up. Down side is husqy updated them so many times I couldn't get one. Not really any different then any other obsolete part. This stuff is pretty simple to work on and their track record is pretty solid anymore. Not saying they don't give issues, but no more then anything else.

Agree based on part availability

562xp is relatively new saw whereas a 036/360, 044/440, 046/460 are easy pie parts n fix

including 020t ms200t ms201t etc etc

 

[sean donato]

Not to try to have a reasonable conversation in the middle of this nonsense, but there's weirdness in the way Stihl has been doing things lately.

The model is called a C which still stands for Comfort. But the latest generation of 261,362,462, etc. have a "c" on the recoil cover. And the only models that have a "C" on the recoil cover are the M-Tronic ones. This is crazy inconsistent for any German company, especially Stihl, but that's what they've been doing.

Drives me crazy because all it does is cause confusion.

Hmm, I'll have to look at the 192tc and the 200t when I get home. Never paid much attention if the c was on either of them. They both have the elasto start on them, so they should be the c model. But like you say, the 400 does have a c on the starter cover.

If on the table were presented a MS500i and a SOLO 681 = 95% would grab the MS500i

those of us who are not persuaded by Stihl loyalty and BLING would grab the 681

Not loyal to any brand. Untill this spring my saw selection was primarily husqy. With a few mc cinder blocks, 3 stihls, a redmax, and various antique/ old saws. I buy the stuff that works, light and powerful. Till stihls more recent saw line up they didn't have much to offer in that respect. Times changed so my line up will change as I need new equipment. If solo or dolmar had something to compete id have them.

 

[sean donato]

Agree based on part availability

562xp is relatively new saw whereas a 036/360, 044/440, 046/460 are easy pie parts n fix

including 020t ms200t ms201t etc etc

Parts will eventually fade for them as well. Something we've all seen. There's nothing difficult about any 2 stroke on the market to fix. The basic engine design is more or less unchanged since their inception. Saying something with a seloniod, 6 wires and 3 sensors is complicated or hard to fix is kinda comedic to me. Don't pop the hood of your truck, you'll have to sell it and get a horse.

 

[Stihl User]

Hmm, I'll have to look at the 192tc and the 200t when I get home. Never paid much attention if the c was on either of them. They both have the elasto start on them, so they should be the c model. But like you say, the 400 does have a c on the starter cover.

Not loyal to any brand. Untill this spring my saw selection was primarily husqy. With a few mc cinder blocks, 3 stihls, a redmax, and various antique/ old saws. I buy the stuff that works, light and powerful. Till stihls more recent saw line up they didn't have much to offer in that respect. Times changed so my line up will change as I need new equipment. If solo or dolmar had something to compete id have them.

Solo has been long gone and Makita/Dolmar has also bailed out of gas chainsaw production

the Makita/Dolmar 7900 is tried and trued power to weight ratio

i am waiting to buy a MS462 which is currently the KING of P2W
Free Carb MS462 = no C

 

[Hundred Acre Wood]

Hmm, I'll have to look at the 192tc and the 200t when I get home. Never paid much attention if the c was on either of them. They both have the elasto start on them, so they should be the c model. But like you say, the 400 does have a c on the starter cover.

Yeah it's weird. @huskihl and I discussed it in two different threads the other day. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's what they're doing.

Even if the model is a "C" model for comfort features (elastostart, decomp), only the M-Tronic models have the "C" on the recoil cover.

 

[Stihl User]

Parts will eventually fade for them as well. Something we've all seen. There's nothing difficult about any 2 stroke on the market to fix. The basic engine design is more or less unchanged since their inception. Saying something with a seloniod, 6 wires and 3 sensors is complicated or hard to fix is kinda comedic to me. Don't pop the hood of your truck, you'll have to sell it and get a horse.

never said it was more difficult to fix as i agree with what you said = 2 stroke

the issue is mtronics removes the FREE adjustable carb

also no additional equipment needed = i do not need to plug-in my 460 for diagnostics

 

[farmer steve]

If on the table were presented a MS500i and a SOLO 681 = 95% would grab the MS500i

those of us who are not persuaded by Stihl loyalty and BLING would grab the 681

I'd pick up the solo first but only to be convinced why I run my Stihl's. Seriously I've never ran a solo so I would want to see how they run. I think (way) back in the day the were a desirable saw.

 

[Stihl User]

I'd pick up the solo first but only to be convinced why I run my Stihl's.

never had in my hands a 500i

However we did compare the MS660 to the SOLO 681

SOLO 681 all the way from this perspective = undeniable Power undeniably Lighter = WIN WIN

 

[Hundred Acre Wood]

i am waiting to buy a MS462 which is currently the KING of P2W

Come again?

Power (hp) to Weight (lb) ratio:
Stihl 500i - 6.7hp / 13.9lbs = .48
Stihl 462 - 6.0hp / 13.2lbs = .45

 

[farmer steve]

never said it was more difficult to fix as i agree with what you said = 2 stroke

the issue is mtronics removes the FREE adjustable carb

also no additional equipment needed = i do not need to plug-in my 460 for diagnostics

I have a bunch of adjustable carb saws sitting here. When I want to go cut wood I don't need to be adjusting carbs because of the weather or temps or whatever. No issues so far with any of the 4 mtronic saws. Run a 45:1 mix,keep the filters clean and the chains sharp.