Best 2 Stroke Oil?

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JASO does not require one to disclose ingredients. So who ever you talked to is full of it. Amsoil also doesn't have access to the test engines that JASO requires.
In addition for someone who allegedly is a chemical engineer you should know that figuring out the ingredients is very simple. As a result the Amsoil secret squirrel line is laughable. It's even more laughable you believe that crap.
It is laughable to me that you think the 4-ball test is irrelevant. While it does not match the conditions in a 2-cycle engine, it absolutely shows which oils have the highest film strength. Or are you going to make the ridiculous claim that an oil that performs poorly on the 4-ball test will somehow perform better than another in an actual engine? Balderdash!
 
JASO does not require one to disclose ingredients. So who ever you talked to is full of it. Amsoil also doesn't have access to the test engines that JASO requires.
In addition for someone who allegedly is a chemical engineer you should know that figuring out the ingredients is very simple. As a result the Amsoil secret squirrel line is laughable. It's even more laughable you believe that crap.
By the way, figuring out the ingredients is not that simple. The exact Coca-Cola formulation, for example, has been kept secret for more than 150 years.
 
What you are not considering is residual oil helps with corrosion protection. It's also helps during start up when you're flooding the motor with liquid gasoline. In addition the lubrication requirement of a two cycle motor change with RPM and load. Maxima has a cool radio isotope oil migration study on their website or at least the use to. As such it is possible to go from optimal lubrication to too little pretty easily. A 50:1 ratio is on the light side to start with.
Those are good points. And amazingly, you managed to make them in a civil manner. You should try that more often. I am not too concerned about using 50:1 with a full synthetic oil for two reasons: 1) narrow molecular weight distribution. 2) Years of doing it with no problems.
 
More oil means better lubrication to a certain point, the way a saw lubricates is the fuel carrying the oil in it like a river, the oil also carries trash and heat with it out the muffler and it also creates the seal between the cylinder and ring transferring the heat from the piston to the cylinder cooling the piston. People seem to not think about that little rise in temp as more work being done or heat being removed from the piston.
People that buy premix fuel look for 40:1
People that mix their own fuel look for jaso FD and mix at 40:1 using 89-91 octane non ethanol, ported saws need 32:1. You should be prepared to retune every time the tool is used if the temperature has shifted 30+ degrees or if the tool was last run in a different season.
I don't think I need to re-tune with my 500i. In fact, I cannot; the microprocessor and sensors do that automatically. High exhaust temperature can also mean the engine is not running efficiently; energy is being lost as heat. But 2-cycle engines are not very efficient anyway. Their main benefit is high power/weight ratio compared to 4-cycle engines.
 
JASO does not require one to disclose ingredients. So who ever you talked to is full of it. Amsoil also doesn't have access to the test engines that JASO requires.

Anyone who can afford it can buy such engines.
The first is Yamaha ET-1 used for exhaust smoke and system blocking tests.
The second is RedMax blower (EBZ6500) engine from Husqvarna Zenoah used for lubricity and detergency tests.
 
I don't think I need to re-tune with my 500i. In fact, I cannot; the microprocessor and sensors do that automatically. High exhaust temperature can also mean the engine is not running efficiently; energy is being lost as heat.

Rather, the opposite is true. High engine temperatures allow for greater engine efficiency and lower HC emissions at the expense of durability and increased NOX emissions.
 
It is laughable to me that you think the 4-ball test is irrelevant. While it does not match the conditions in a 2-cycle engine, it absolutely shows which oils have the highest film strength. Or are you going to make the ridiculous claim that an oil that performs poorly on the 4-ball test will somehow perform better than another in an actual engine? Balderdash!
The 4 ball test doesn't represent much of anything meaningful in a 2 stroke that were worried about, except the lower end bearings, and just about any oil can keep them happy enough.
 
I don't think I need to re-tune with my 500i. In fact, I cannot; the microprocessor and sensors do that automatically. High exhaust temperature can also mean the engine is not running efficiently; energy is being lost as heat. But 2-cycle engines are not very efficient anyway. Their main benefit is high power/weight ratio compared to 4-cycle engines.
Again, you clearly don't understand how engines work. High temp engines run more efficiently. Egts indicate many things and are one of the better ways to moniture what's going on inside of the combustion chamber.
 
I have already conceded that you have more general knowledge on this subject than I do. However, you do not know all that you pretend to know. You frequently present your opinions as fact when you have no evidence to back it up. You also do not respect those who know more than you do on specific topics. You denigrate anyone who disagrees with you. Most people who come to this forum do so either to learn from others or to help others by teaching them. Your main reason seems to be to get an opportunity to put people down. Great way to make friends and influence people!
Fill out a hurt feelers report.
You want to throw around the fact you're an engineer, but based on your own comments ita pretty apparent you don't have even a rudimentary understanding of the subject.
I am not above approach. You think I have made a technical error in my comments I am happy to either prove your wrong or concede you are right.
 
Anyone who can afford it can buy such engines.
The first is Yamaha ET-1 used for exhaust smoke and system blocking tests.
The second is RedMax blower (EBZ6500) engine from Husqvarna Zenoah used for lubricity and detergency tests.
Anyone who can afford it can buy such engines.
The first is Yamaha ET-1 used for exhaust smoke and system blocking tests.
The second is RedMax blower (EBZ6500) engine from Husqvarna Zenoah used for lubricity and detergency tests.
I am saying Amsoil doesn't have those test engines.. why would they? The don't make oil or additive packages. All they do is call up Lubrizol and tell them what they want to achieve. Lubrizol then sells them a package to be blended with a certain base oil package that is bought from one of the majors.
FWIW the engines used in the Jaso tests were formerly Suzuki and Honda.
 
Those are good points. And amazingly, you managed to make them in a civil manner. You should try that more often. I am not too concerned about using 50:1 with a full synthetic oil for two reasons: 1) narrow molecular weight distribution. 2) Years of doing it with no problems.
Narrow molecular weight distribution is pretty meaningless in a two stroke.
 
It is laughable to me that you think the 4-ball test is irrelevant. While it does not match the conditions in a 2-cycle engine, it absolutely shows which oils have the highest film strength. Or are you going to make the ridiculous claim that an oil that performs poorly on the 4-ball test will somehow perform better than another in an actual engine? Balderdash!
The 4 ball test is completely meaningless in a two stroke, period. It represents no operating condition a two stroke is going to see. In addition any company saying it does is not reputable and is engaging in dirt ball marketing. It also isn't an industry standard test for two cycle oils.
What you are not considering is there are many more concerns than film strength in a two cycle or else we would lube them with a Sae 90w oil. Even better how about grease? Very high film strength! Truth is film strength hasn't been a concern in two cycle oils for 4+ decades.
The problem is a two cycle oil not only has to lubricate a motor, it also has to combust very cleanly, mix easily with gasoline, prevent corrosion and several other things.
 
The 4 ball test is completely meaningless in a two stroke, period. It represents no operating condition a two stroke is going to see. In addition any company saying it does is not reputable and is engaging in dirt ball marketing. It also isn't an industry standard test for two cycle oils.
What you are not considering is there are many more concerns than film strength in a two cycle or else we would lube them with a Sae 90w oil. Even better how about grease? Very high film strength! Truth is film strength hasn't been a concern in two cycle oils for 4+ decades.
The problem is a two cycle oil not only has to lubricate a motor, it also has to combust very cleanly, mix easily with gasoline, prevent corrosion and several other things.
Why are all these guys having so much trouble with oil
I never do, it's the damn Ethanol gas that pisses me off!
 
The 4 ball test doesn't represent much of anything meaningful in a 2 stroke that were worried about, except the lower end bearings, and just about any oil can keep them happy enough.
Yet that test does show which oil has a higher film strength. I think that is important for all lubrication purposes.
 
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