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Robin....would Spike60 be a go-to guy for older OE stuff for like the 801, 80 & 90....or just newer stuff?

Kevin
I doubt he could get much in the way of new parts.....but he would know the parts you would ask about and may know others who have parts....or parts that are generic like bearing and seals.....definitely worth a call or PM...Bob's a heck of a good guy.
 
Yah, I think these were a retro-tribute to the earlier Jred saws made at the end of the 535 production.

Yes they were.....the 535 "Classic" it was called.. They were trying to capitalize on the "Look" of the proven true Jonsereds ". The 5XX saws were a miserable failure except the 521E and the 590 which were different from each other as well as much different from the 510, 520, 530, 535 family. These 5XX saws were made after the fall of the original Jonsereds Co. and were supposed to be the upgrade over for the 49SP and 52/52E. Jonsereds was big here in the 70's....5-6 dealers within 20 miles.....woodboogers bought these "upgrades" believing they were buying better saws than the previous ones.......didn't happen....most were blown up in a season or so...company wouldn't cover warranty work....was nothing to see 3-4 of these 1-2 yr old saws on the dump when making a trash run on Sunday morning.....they stayed there too!!! All the dealers went away....shops closed.....nearest one is 30 miles away and doesn't really stock anything.....just kept the dealership so family members could buy stuff cheap. Good find windthrown.....use carefully..good collectable.

You all may note there are none of these saws in my "Runners" sig.......that is the reason...though I never owned one they were the reason I "Tied the Can" on the Jonsered name for 25 yrs......wasn't until I joined AS that I found the name still existed and good saws were still being made. Though not the same as before but good saws.......like the 630 on up through the 2171 etc.
 
Yes they were.....the 535 "Classic" it was called.. They were trying to capitalize on the "Look" of the proven true Jonsereds ". The 5XX saws were a miserable failure except the 521E and the 590 which were different from each other as well as much different from the 510, 520, 530, 535 family. These 5XX saws were made after the fall of the original Jonsereds Co. and were supposed to be the upgrade over for the 49SP and 52/52E. Jonsereds was big here in the 70's....5-6 dealers within 20 miles.....woodboogers bought these "upgrades" believing they were buying better saws than the previous ones.......didn't happen....most were blown up in a season or so...company wouldn't cover warranty work....was nothing to see 3-4 of these 1-2 yr old saws on the dump when making a trash run on Sunday morning.....they stayed there too!!! All the dealers went away....shops closed.....nearest one is 30 miles away and doesn't really stock anything.....just kept the dealership so family members could buy stuff cheap. Good find windthrown.....use carefully..good collectable.

You all may note there are none of these saws in my "Runners" sig.......that is the reason...though I never owned one they were the reason I "Tied the Can" on the Jonsered name for 25 yrs......wasn't until I joined AS that I found the name still existed and good saws were still being made. Though not the same as before but good saws.......like the 630 on up through the 2171 etc.

Excellent stuff Robin.:rock: So in the Jonny history timeline, when did the 'original' CO fall? Here in the PNW after Mac didn't take the proper cues from European saw technology and fell(for loggers anyway), Sthil and Husqvarna reigned supreme. But slowly through the ranks the perky little Jonsereds started appearing in the back of logger's trucks. They never replaced Sthil and Husqvarna, but they were at least on the job sites, cleaning up on the landings etc, which speaks volumes. Yeah, a lot of my NOS parts have come from Maine, so I always had a sense they were hugely popular there.:clap:

Kevin
 
Thanks for the story on this saw. I never used or heard of Jred saws in the earlier days. Mac was king, and Homelite was the typical homeowner saw here in the PNW (my dad had several Homelites). I had two big 36 inch bar Mac saws with thumb oilers in CA until Stihl and Echo saws started to move them aside. Then there was Olympik, which I liked a lot. None of those saws had chainbrakes on them. I gave up the ghost on Mac/Oly and Echo when I left the ex's sheep ranch. Though I still have a good Oly coil in one of my saw parts boxes and the Macs may still be doorstops in the ex's barn. She tossed my last Oly saw before I could get it. :cry:

This Jred saw runs good (was still in tune) and is near new. Obviously sat in someone's garage until they passed or downsized. I bought it at the Habitat for Humanity ReStore. Never know where you will find saws. Usually they only have blown or trashed saws. This Jred is gonna get 40:1 oil mix. I read that they like more oil and that parts are not easy to get for them. I sold all my older Stihl AV and all metal saws for that reason.
 
Excellent stuff Robin.:rock: So in the Jonny history timeline, when did the 'original' CO fall? Here in the PNW after Mac didn't take the proper cues from European saw technology and fell(for loggers anyway), Sthil and Husqvarna reigned supreme. But slowly through the ranks the perky little Jonsereds started appearing in the back of logger's trucks. They never replaced Sthil and Husqvarna, but they were at least on the job sites, cleaning up on the landings etc, which speaks volumes. Yeah, a lot of my NOS parts have come from Maine, so I always had a sense they were hugely popular there.:clap:

Kevin

I looked a bit and the Elux buyout was supposed to occur in 1977 - 1978
 
I looked a bit and the Elux buyout was supposed to occur in 1977 - 1978

Yeah and as the things usually go, products don't go to shite for a yr or so until they run outa parts or figure how to cheapen lines. And I remember that new Jonny line coming out in the early 80's from my friend down at the saw shop who was a faller and let me use his Jonny the one day on the job site.......so that makes sense. I never saw a 111S in the woods, but people claim they were around in the PNW...I dunno.:confused:

Kevin
 
There's a 90 on the bay right now...poor saw has two bids already and is at $300.:eek: He did some kinda ridiculous respray and got paint everywhere. Said it was an 80...below his description he consents that it's a 90. No 80 had that top cover and decomp. He's re-wrapped the handle bar with what looks like blue electric tape, or maybe bicycle tape...yeah, that should last with oil/gas/use.:rolleyes: No compression given, just stated the saw is about 90% and nearly new...whatever that means.o_O He's not completely sure of the bar size or even the chain...doesn't like to do homework I suppose. His shipping charge is cheap enough, but more than likely, he'll stick it in a cardboard box with little protection and let the freight boys beat it to death. We'll see what happens with the final bid..:popcorn:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Jon...282069864?pt=US_Chainsaws&hash=item2a3540dd68
 
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Ebay saws... not for me. :confused:

Well, you just have to be REALLY selective and/or spend little, expect the worst. I bought a 90 sleeper on the bay from Arkansas. Incredibly dirty, rotten gas in the tank or actually more like pure varnish and some holes stripped out. With a ton of time removing the varnish and a good cleaning the saw had OK compression and very low hrs. I think the saw was just too much saw for the PO and it quit him before he ruined it. It looked so bad, I had it in a box for almost two yrs. Now it's my favorite running Jonny. But on the other end of the spectrum, I paid for a 80 & shipping to find the saw had been underwater. Claimed to have " good compression"..nah, it had water in the crankcase and a totaled jug & piston. I got very little off that saw that was even usable. He's a regular chainsaw seller on the bay...he should have a caning for that one.

And now the Canadians have gotten into the act with these old saw, especially Husky. Almost every 2100 you see on the bay is outa Canada. In the beginning of this trend, their saws were decent...now they're found junk that's passed on. The high prices are making them do this I suspect....the only thing novel thing I've seen there in the last few yrs was a new, never run, siting in a closet Husky 2101. I quit watching after $2,000...it was just too painful.:rolleyes:

Kevin
 
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As I was saying.... :dizzy:

Liars, cheats and thieves are all over Ebay, along with junk saws and saws that were... under water. Not saying they are all bad, its just not for me. I do buy parts there though.
 
Can't really argue with that.:p I just don't have selection around here...I comb the paper & CL and nothing I want ever comes up. I've got enough spare 80 parts to almost make another saw...but what are ya gonna do?:rolleyes: Even if you buy here at the Trading Post, unless you know the guy, his idea of very good, mint or excellent might be entirely different than ours. It's really dicey buying saws unseen I guess, the point here is.:cool:

Kevinh
 
Hey if you order a new j-red 2253 do they ship w/ that shiny lookin total jonsered bar. does anybody know. or do you have to buy it seperate thanks a bunch
 
Sorry to leave questions unanswered...been having interweb issues the last few days. Going again now but about half speed gotta badger them some more...

Windthrown....you will find that most every part for your Jonsereds is NLA....as are parts for all older Jonsereds...so if yours is in good condition use it gently. As much as I don't like that series they still hold a place in the history of the brand and are important for that fact alone.

As I understand the history timeline is... Elux bought Jonsereds out in 77-78.....however at first they were allowed to continue right along as before....producing the 49SP, 52/52E, 621, 70E, 80, 90 and others that were proven designs. In terms of production Jonsereds was rather efficient.....many parts of the same parts were used on a lot of different models.....for instance.....the trigger handle for a 49SP will fit all the afore mentioned Jonsereds models...except the 621. Ign were the same for many models as well...52E and 66E/70E used the same ign modules and coils.....if you look at the IPLs you will find different part numbers....this is only due to different lengths of wire attached for different models. Points igns were the same for the 52, 621, 80, 801, 81 and 90. This type of production makes them cheaper to produce and makes it a lot easier for us to keep these out of production saws alive and running.

Now around 81 Elux started to get more involved and change the production and designs...this is where the 510Sp, 520,525,530 and 535 come into being.....none of these 49cc saws held a candle to the 49cc saws they replaced (52/52E and 49SP) They did make some short run saws that were pretty good at the same time though....notably the 451E/EV which was designed as a high speed pro limbing saw and the 910E/EV which became the 920 and 930 quite quickly. But basically these decent saws were doomed as well by Elux deciding to combine Jonsereds and Husky production around 1983 which brought us the first 630 Jonsered

Ebay saws are what they are.....I have gotten some really fantastic saws that looked like junk for realy sweet prices........I have bought really nice looking saws for good dollars that turned out to be junk...just pretty parts saws. Got shafted on a 910E that had been underwater too....about the only useful parts were the plastic ones. On the other hand... I bought a 90 that was strictly a parts saw....the guy contacted me before I even received the saw and apologized for the condition and would refund some money.......when I got the saw it was rough but the parts I needed were fine.....I got back to him saying I wished the saw had been in a little better shape but was fine with the deal none the less......the guy refunded the whole price except shipping which was like $15...so I feel I break even on ebay.....never had to file a complaint....though I could have on the 910E....but never pay much for a saw either...
 
That really fits with the timeline as I remember it in the field-thanks for the clarification. That Jonny my friend brought out to the job site and I ran for a day, must have been a 910E or something like it. I might be able to member with a good pic. It didn't out-cut my 80, it was just a more high strung saw. He kept bragging about all the features it had, but at the day's end, I really didn't see anything that remarkable or felt the urge to buy one. It's a godsend that Jonny used the same parts back then in so many of their good saws as you mentioned, or we'd be pretty much screwed. It's amazing how many NOS parts are still floating around out there, albeit at some considerable $$$. I know that Bailey's sold a LOT of 70E's back in the day to the cord wood crowd.

Kevin
 
Just read this thread from the start.
Robin got me interested in Jonsereds again. About to get my second one. First was sent home with a friend to jump start him in the middle of a bad divorce.
Then I wanted one like it........so........
You know how it goes.
Anyway. Learning the different models. Leaning toward the Silver Tops.
Hey Robin.
 
This is a GREAT thread if you're a Jonny fan...probably nothing else like it anywhere on the Net. I'm proud to say I used them in the field when the silver tops were new. Anything dealing with chainsaws can be male cathartic, IMO. My only regret is that I didn't buy more of them back in the day. Robin gives freely of his time & knowledge...can't really ask for more than that.:clap:

Sorry to leave questions unanswered...been having interweb issues the last few days. Going again now but about half speed gotta badger them some more...

Windthrown....you will find that most every part for your Jonsereds is NLA....as are parts for all older Jonsereds...so if yours is in good condition use it gently. As much as I don't like that series they still hold a place in the history of the brand and are important for that fact alone.

As I understand the history timeline is... Elux bought Jonsereds out in 77-78.....however at first they were allowed to continue right along as before....producing the 49SP, 52/52E, 621, 70E, 80, 90 and others that were proven designs. In terms of production Jonsereds was rather efficient.....many parts of the same parts were used on a lot of different models.....for instance.....the trigger handle for a 49SP will fit all the afore mentioned Jonsereds models...except the 621. Ign were the same for many models as well...52E and 66E/70E used the same ign modules and coils.....if you look at the IPLs you will find different part numbers....this is only due to different lengths of wire attached for different models. Points igns were the same for the 52, 621, 80, 801, 81 and 90. This type of production makes them cheaper to produce and makes it a lot easier for us to keep these out of production saws alive and running.

Now around 81 Elux started to get more involved and change the production and designs...this is where the 510Sp, 520,525,530 and 535 come into being.....none of these 49cc saws held a candle to the 49cc saws they replaced (52/52E and 49SP) They did make some short run saws that were pretty good at the same time though....notably the 451E/EV which was designed as a high speed pro limbing saw and the 910E/EV which became the 920 and 930 quite quickly. But basically these decent saws were doomed as well by Elux deciding to combine Jonsereds and Husky production around 1983 which brought us the first 630 Jonsered

Ebay saws are what they are.....I have gotten some really fantastic saws that looked like junk for realy sweet prices........I have bought really nice looking saws for good dollars that turned out to be junk...just pretty parts saws. Got shafted on a 910E that had been underwater too....about the only useful parts were the plastic ones. On the other hand... I bought a 90 that was strictly a parts saw....the guy contacted me before I even received the saw and apologized for the condition and would refund some money.......when I got the saw it was rough but the parts I needed were fine.....I got back to him saying I wished the saw had been in a little better shape but was fine with the deal none the less......the guy refunded the whole price except shipping which was like $15...so I feel I break even on ebay.....never had to file a complaint....though I could have on the 910E....but never pay much for a saw either...

In keeping with Robin's theme of multiple Jonny saws using the same parts.....I think I'm seeing a trend on ebay. Sellers with clean parts and NOS stuff are going to the model listings that are most popular. For example.....you will rarely see a NOS oil cap & chain on the 80/90 page, but you'll often see NOS oil caps on the 70E page. But you'll pay too...$30.00 for a oil cap!!!o_O
Gotta love free enterprise, right?:p

Kevin
 
If you look back through this thread, we discuss this very thing. One bar I bought from Baileys(Oregon) and modified by milling the rail groove and enlarging the mounting slot....another I had in my possession from back in the day and just required one of those funky three rivet, half moon pattern, Oregon tips. The bars are out there if you look hard enough...I consider that a better solution than modifying a newer one....but that's just my opinion. I even talked to Oregon about this...they dropped the correct bars many yrs ago.

Kevin
 
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