Rudolf73
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Lol, and same here.
MS441 R C-M M-Tronic Review and Mods
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Lol, and same here.
Sorry for the delay. I'm working on the video right now.:msp_smile:
Stihl n Wood
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Alright already! I actually just went and checked your youtube page, lol. I was hoping the vid was uploaded and that you were just working on your write up.
Hey Andre, I didn't ask for an Oscar winning documentary
No Oscar here just getting all the number and what not, plus we had some lightning and that cuts out my internet connection.:msp_angry:
Let me just put up the video with no review, I know you guys want it.
Here are the times I have.
441...
10.11
9.80
10.06
7900.......
9.1
9.3
8.94
The last two cuts were just for fun so the numbers really don't count.
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Let me just put up the video with no review, I know you guys want it.
Here are the times I have.
441...
10.11
9.80
10.06
7900.......
9.1
9.3
8.94
The last two cuts were just for fun so the numbers really don't count.
<iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EntZNKQai7U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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Very interesting. That's right on the heels of the 7900. CC for cc, the 441 is actually stronger. The 7900 is 10% larger in displacement, and only 8.8% faster.
Will you be posting your thoughts and opinions on it tonight? BTW, thanks for the vid. How much fuel did you get through it?
Andre's writing us a book now Can't wait to read it.
Can't wait to read it.
My Dad has an early 046 with dual port and a muffler mod. It's otherwise stock.
Rudolf73
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Oh yeah, it was part of a chainsaw investigation if I remember correctly...
Guess I'll have to read the book tomorrow. I'm off to la la land.
Just for clarification the wood was super soft Bass wood, about 24" or so. My 7900 has only had about 5 tanks of fuel through it and it's still very tight.
Pros...
From just feel, the 441 acts like it has more than one gear, when you really push down on her it just keeps going. IMHO this is solely because the saw can compensate for the load and add more fuel when needed. The 441 definitely has plenty of power, a stock 460 would struggle to keep up in any size or type of wood. On odd thing about this 441 is the fact the engine doesn't feel very tight, I can't say how much it will pick up with more time on it. Don't let the numbers fool you this saw pulls harder under load than the 7900, yup I said it. Despite the numbers I think it has a more usable power band than the 7900, not by much, but it's there.
The AV is fine but not as smooth as a non wrap 441, or the 7900. Keep in mind I have always thought the 441 to be a bit smoother than the 7900, not so with the stiffer springs, but still very smooth, much more so than older Stihls, it's a non issue. The saw started in two pulls after sitting all night, very cool.
A few Cons.
I did a bit of cutting in really thick woods with lots of undergrowth, and I can't say it's the best saw in this environment, especially with a 28" bar. Again the power is there, but so is the bulk. In my hands it reminds me more of a 390 Husky than a 372, it's a very bulky saw for the displacement. When I was swapping bars I handed my brother each saw without the B&C and asked him what he thought, he guessed the 441 was about 14.5 pounds. I handed him the 7900 and he quickly guessed it was 2 pounds lighter, this is obviously subjective, but I think he's close.
I do see a potential design issue with the 441. The integrated control lever has a lot of play, and when you push it all the way down for cold starts the lever bends and moves the carb around too much and doesn't always close the choke fully. I've never liked the master control on Stihl's, but this one is the worst operating out of any Stihl saws I've used.
So would I buy the 441M over a 440 or 372? That would be tough, I just don't know if the power makes up for the bulk.
Pros...
From just feel, the 441 acts like it has more than one gear, when you really push down on her it just keeps going. IMHO this is solely because the saw can compensate for the load and add more fuel when needed. The 441 definitely has plenty of power, a stock 460 would struggle to keep up in any size or type of wood. On odd thing about this 441 is the fact the engine doesn't feel very tight, I can't say how much it will pick up with more time on it. Don't let the numbers fool you this saw pulls harder under load than the 7900, yup I said it. Despite the numbers I think it has a more usable power band than the 7900, not by much, but it's there.
The AV is fine but not as smooth as a non wrap 441, or the 7900. Keep in mind I have always thought the 441 to be a bit smoother than the 7900, not so with the stiffer springs, but still very smooth, much more so than older Stihls, it's a non issue. The saw started in two pulls after sitting all night, very cool.
A few Cons.
I did a bit of cutting in really thick woods with lots of undergrowth, and I can't say it's the best saw in this environment, especially with a 28" bar. Again the power is there, but so is the bulk. In my hands it reminds me more of a 390 Husky than a 372, it's a very bulky saw for the displacement. When I was swapping bars I handed my brother each saw without the B&C and asked him what he thought, he guessed the 441 was about 14.5 pounds. I handed him the 7900 and he quickly guessed it was 2 pounds lighter, this is obviously subjective, but I think he's close.
I do see a potential design issue with the 441. The integrated control lever has a lot of play, and when you push it all the way down for cold starts the lever bends and moves the carb around too much and doesn't always close the choke fully. I've never liked the master control on Stihl's, but this one is the worst operating out of any Stihl saws I've used.
So would I buy the 441M over a 440 or 372? That would be tough, I just don't know if the power makes up for the bulk.
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Internet issues, lightning, sorry.:msp_sleep:
MacLaren
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I cant believe how close it kept with the 7900
Impressive to say the least IMO
Impressive to say the least IMO
Very impressive, but not a game changer, we'll see when it's ported.
If I could constantly adjust the carb on a 7900 I think it would give it a boost, as it seems to with every saw. A normal 441 has nothing on a 441M.
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MacLaren
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Well Andy, isnt the Husqvarna 576AT the same a the 441M? If so, then watch out!
I'd love to have one to test. Like the 441M I hear they're stronger than the non AT saws.
I plan on making a new video tomorrow, I' going to put a screw driver to the 7900 to see if I can't fine a little more HP, + bigger wood.
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