Pioneer chainsaws

[Arrowhead]

Can anyone ID this model? I bought it for parts. I can not find a model number one it, even on the bottom. I will pull the jug and measure to determine the cc. Mainly wondering if these had the heavier crank or any other differences from the Pioneers. Brendon, the rubber grommet and stud for the clutch cover is flawless on this one, I will save it for you.

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[Brmorgan]

Well with the exception of the air filter assembly and the big grille covering the entire muffler, the parts look pretty much identical to my P41. But there are a few models that look like that, I guess.

 

[P62]

Target Saw

Ed
Your target saw looks like my Target 52-12. The 12 being the blade size. The exhaust outlet looks to be bigger then the 41 saws. Most likely a P52 or P62 power unit. The diamond cutter wheel looks to be in good shape. I'd like to find a 12 inch diamond wheel for mine.
Jeff

 

[Arrowhead]

I have not had time to pull the jug yet. It is definitely a 82cc or 98cc saw. It has the larger frame. The blade is a 14". It runs, but the comp. feels low. I will put the gauge on it and pull the jug maybe tomorrow.

 

[P62]

Target Saw

WIth the 14 inch blade I will bet it is a P62 or P65.
Trying to close a deal on a P60 Pioneer tonight. Hope to have a new addition by the weekend.

 

[Arrowhead]

WIth the 14 inch blade I will bet it is a P62 or P65.
Trying to close a deal on a P60 Pioneer tonight. Hope to have a new addition by the weekend.

Jeff, Good luck on the P60. Post some pics if you get it. If I come across a good 12" diamond blade for cheap, I will let you know. Ed

 

[WesternSaw]

Hello P62

P62,I sure hope that P60 you are looking at is not the one someone is looking into for me! Is it in Ontario?Good Luck wherever it is located!
Lawrence

 

[WesternSaw]

Pioneer lighter

Hi Ric
That's a nice Pioneer trinket you have there!I know a fella back east in Ontario who sold Pioneer's at one time at his farm equipment supply shop and has quite a few different things of that nature.I know not to ask him if he would like to part with any because I am sure the answer will be NO! LOL!
Lawrence

 

[Aviator25]

Why is it that these old saws are still contenders with todays new saws? I have even seen some older saws out do the new. You would think that the saw technology would have made great leaping changes to make them much more powerful in the last 40, 30, or even 20 years. But the only thing that seems to have changed is that new saws are 60% plastic, lighter, and are safty equipped.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thanks. Any info that you or others could supply would be great. I wonder if they produced the saw this way for maximum power or had their hearing gone and they didn't noticed it was rather loud????

A goodly number of older saws had little to no muffler capability as it seemed that noise was not thought about as a physical problem. The old saws did make good power/ low end grunt without muffler restriction and the 1110 seems to be one of the loudest saws made.
Pioneerguy600

 

[P62]

P62,I sure hope that P60 you are looking at is not the one someone is looking into for me! Is it in Ontario?Good Luck wherever it is located!
Lawrence

Lawrence
The P60 I have a line on is a local saw that I found out about several years ago. I am located just north of Kingston. There were a lot of P50 and P60 saws sold in this area. We have lots of large Oak Maple Beach, etc. I can remember in the 70's when dutch elm disease wiped out most of the elm trees. There were a lot of huge elms. I had the pleasure of tipping over a couple of 4 foot elms using a P51 and P61. A lot more fun to cut then split.
Nice to see the collectable gadgets. I have gathered several peices over the years, Lighters, tape measure, clock, tie clip, cufflinks,belt buckles etc.
Jeff

 

[Brmorgan]

Why is it that these old saws are still contenders with todays new saws? I have even seen some older saws out do the new. You would think that the saw technology would have made great leaping changes to make them much more powerful in the last 40, 30, or even 20 years. But the only thing that seems to have changed is that new saws are 60% plastic, lighter, and are safty equipped.

Newer saws can be modified to absolutely destroy older ones, if one disregards emission and efficiency regulations. Largely, the design improvements over the years have been offset by restrictive emission standards forcing manufacturers to choke their engines down to meet specs. Newer saws NEED the higher RPMs to produce their power due to design and component weight, whereas the old ones will just keep on chugging along even under heavy load. It's kinda like how a 1970 426ci Hemi SuperBee will outrun just about anything (stock) on the road these days, but will drink a helluva lot more gas to do it - and it'll be a LOT heavier and have a rougher ride. Sure, a Subaru WRX might reach the same top speeds and be a lot lighter, but it just won't have that bottom-end torque that the heavy, big engines can put out.

The P60 I have a line on is a local saw that I found out about several years ago. I am located just north of Kingston. There were a lot of P50 and P60 saws sold in this area. We have lots of large Oak Maple Beach, etc. I can remember in the 70's when dutch elm disease wiped out most of the elm trees. There were a lot of huge elms. I had the pleasure of tipping over a couple of 4 foot elms using a P51 and P61. A lot more fun to cut then split.
Nice to see the collectable gadgets. I have gathered several peices over the years, Lighters, tape measure, clock, tie clip, cufflinks,belt buckles etc.
Jeff

Well, that stands to reason since they were built a stone's throw away in Peterborough - which explains a large amount of my affinity for Pioneers; my family has had a cottage on Chandos Lake a short drive north of there since '64. Dad pretty much grew up there, and I would have too, but we moved out here to BC back in '87 when I was only 5. Still lots of memories from there though. I've always thought that Peterborough was probably the nicest city in Ontario and it's probably where I'd want to live if I ever ended up back there again - though property prices anywhere on the Kawarthas is becoming very prohibitively expensive.

 

[DroppedP51]

Can anyone ID this model? I bought it for parts. I can not find a model number one it, even on the bottom. I will pull the jug and measure to determine the cc.

Hi So this is what i was looking for when trying to find a p60 size jug I guess these were made later in the pioneer era?
Where there many made?
Did pioneer make a hedge cutting attatchment? or any other differnt saws?

 

[Arrowhead]

P62 Western Score!

Last Saturday evening I checked e-bay for any Pioneer saw deals. Nothing I seen intrested me, so I spent some time on this site. I was getting ready to shut down the computer, and figured I would check e-bay one last time. There it was on the top of the page, a Pioneer P62 Western! It was just listed minutes ago. They had a starting bid of $49.00. I figured it was a long shot, but I e-mailed them and asked if they would consider doing a buy-it-now for $100. I expected to get a big HECK NO. Minutes later they replied back and said YES! They sent a paypal invoice and said they would remove the listing once I paid. I think I set a new record signing into Paypal! If you do an advanced search under Pioneer P62 completed listings you will see it. I could tell by the wording they were not saw people and probably did not know what they had. Considering I have seen parts Farmsaws bringing near $100.00, I feel I stole it. They listed it as parts saw and said the recoil would not come out. I got it today and sure enough I pulled on the recoil, and it wouldn't move. I pulled the muffler and looked into the cylinder and it looked spotless. I could tell by faded paint and surface rust on the muffler that it had sat outside for some time. I squirted some wd-40 in the jug and let it sit for 30 minutes. I then put a wrench on the clutch nut and barely put any pressure on it and she broke free. I pulled the jug to get a good look. The jug and piston looked NEW. There is not a mark on either, the piston is not even stained, rings looked great. I wiped the wd-40 out and put it back together. I squirted some mix into the carb and first pull she fired up. I did a comp test at 145lbs. Once I clean the carb and run it, it may come up. Well that's my story. Now comes a couple questions, is the air stack on the carb Pioneer? It fits perfectly and has no signs of being altered. Also the jug has the shoulder on it like the P50/51. It measures 2.25" so it is a 98cc. The number on the jug is 433223 which is the number for a Pioneer/Partner P62. This saw is a Pioneer. Is it possible the later Pioneer P62's used a shouldered jug? Besides the saw being absolutely dirty, I think I have a good one. It needs an air cover, and brake parts. I think I have all the parts I need.

 

[DroppedP51]

crongrats on your purchase it looks a mean saw

 

[DroppedP51]

my 650

good old saw in orig cond

 

[Jacob J.]

good old saw in orig cond

Good looking old 650...

Ed- good score on the 62, looks like it was set-up as a Western...

 

[propliner]

Hi guys, I'm back from my hunting trip where I had success with a mulie buck.

Aviator25, I have a piston for your 2400 but unfortunately no rings. Send me a P.M. if you're interested.

Ed, GREAT score on the Western. I've never seen that intake so it might be from another make. It's always interesting to see different things, though. Who knows? Maybe it is Pioneer. Any number on it?
Also, that cylinder may very well be original. I'm not exactly sure when they started with the shouldered cylinder on the P62. I thought it came out in the Pioneer/Partner days but it looks like earlier now, probably later in the P62 run. Very interesting. It makes me want to pull the cylinder on mine but I won't... I'll just have to wonder about it. If your saw truly is a P62W (and it looks to be one) then it's the only other one I've seen but mine. Consider yourself very lucky.
Are you planning on painting it? The decal set should be out for that one soon.

I found the original Pioneer chain for my P42 Western. It's non-safety semi-chisel and probably the original type of chain. It makes the saw only one step away from being complete. The proper full-wrap will be here soon. The nice thing about restoring saws is that eventually you can find all the parts if you're persistent enough.

 

[Jacob J.]

I think I have the rings for a 2400, is that a 2" bore?

 

[propliner]

I think I have the rings for a 2400, is that a 2" bore?

Yes it is. The 2400 piston mics out at 1.996"