Pioneer chainsaws

[WesternSaw]

Hope Not!

Hi Dropped
I certainly hope not, I have a 1200A and 1200.One of the Gurus will give you their thoughts soon.
Lawrence

 

[jockeydeuce]

Just thought I would add a video to this thread of the P-40 I bought at a yard sale this spring. It looked a little rough, but all it needed was a bit of tinkering to make it run again. I cut a load of firewood with it last weekend just for fun and let all my more modern saws rest.

Pretty impressive for it's age............


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[pioneerguy600]

my mate has a 1200A The flywheel keeps shearing keys? then comming loose? Im starting to run out of keys Is this a common problem ?

That is not a common problem on any saw, if it is doing this then the taper has been ruined. The flywheel is a taper fit to the crankshaft, the key is just an alignment guide for the proper timing between the parts to provide fire to the plug. Either the crank stub end is damaged or the flywheel taper is damaged, if the flywheel nut is properly torqued then the flywheel would not come loose without a puller.
Pioneerguy600

 

[pioneerguy600]

Just thought I would add a video to this thread of the P-40 I bought at a yard sale this spring. It looked a little rough, but all it needed was a bit of tinkering to make it run again. I cut a load of firewood with it last weekend just for fun and let all my more modern saws rest.

Pretty impressive for it's age............


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Gotta love them old Pioneers, they sure had heart. They were also ahead of their time back when they were in production.
Pioneerguy600

 

[jockeydeuce]

Gotta love them old Pioneers, they sure had heart. They were also ahead of their time back when they were in production.
Pioneerguy600

I was impressed when I first got this saw home........Functional AV system, auto oiler and rim type sprocket......Pretty modern for circa 1973-76!!!

Darn decent power for an older 66cc saw too!!

 

[leeha]

Very nice running P40 Jockeydeuce.
That saw runs very well.
Nice video.


Lee

 

[pioneerguy600]

I was impressed when I first got this saw home........Functional AV system, auto oiler and rim type sprocket......Pretty modern for circa 1973-76!!!

Darn decent power for an older 66cc saw too!!

They were our main saws around here up until the late 70`s, that`s when the dealerships started getting antsy about Pioneer being taken over, they stopped selling them and would not order in parts. That was the death knell for Pioneer around here. Darn shame as they had a great following here and all the oldtime wood cutters swore by them as being the best saw ever made.
Pioneerguy600

 

[DroppedP51]

P61 carb help

I pulled the carb off my P61 today usually i just wash them in fuel mix take the top plate off clean the little gauze filter and they are sweet,Everything looks good and clean,pulled the bottom plate clean as well ,refitted set mixture at 1.25 and 1.25 ish turns Starts with choke but stalls/dies when choke pushed in,
What is the correct was to clean out the carb?
What should i be looking for?

 

[DroppedP51]

I got the P62 ...... I got it to fire with the choke and it will run for a second and then die. I'm sure glad they have a decomp on it.

GRRRRRR F#k3n saws Ive allready broke my pullstart cord twice today

 

[jockeydeuce]

GRRRRRR F#k3n saws Ive allready broke my pullstart cord twice today

Drop a new plug in......I've had a spark plug ruin my day like that before!

 

[Arrowhead]

David, Did you check the fuel line and filter? For the heck of it, pull the filter off and drop the line into the mix, and try it. (even if you can blow through it) Otherwise I would 100% dismantle the carb, soak in carb cleaner, then blow all the passages out with compressed air.

 

[Arrowhead]

Drop a new plug in......I've had a spark plug ruin my day like that before!

:agree2:

 

[pioneerguy600]

I pulled the carb off my P61 today usually i just wash them in fuel mix take the top plate off clean the little gauze filter and they are sweet,Everything looks good and clean,pulled the bottom plate clean as well ,refitted set mixture at 1.25 and 1.25 ish turns Starts with choke but stalls/dies when choke pushed in,
What is the correct was to clean out the carb?
What should i be looking for?

Fuel starvation, could be as simple as fuel not reaching the carb via lines or fuel tank filter. Cleaning the carb should not have affected it in any way, as you did not remove any diaphragms or reset the metering lever.
Pioneerguy600

 

[a. palmer jr.]

While we're on Pioneers...anybody ever change a fuel line on a 1200? I have an IPL for the saw and see where the line is on the drawing but can't seem to find where it comes into the tank. I know it's supposed to be in the rear corner but still can't find the hole for the line and mine doesn't have a fuel line in the tank anymore.

 

[GoRving]

I was impressed when I first got this saw home........Functional AV system, auto oiler and rim type sprocket......Pretty modern for circa 1973-76!!!

Darn decent power for an older 66cc saw too!!

I've got an old P-40 in similar shape as yours. I paid a guy 25.00 for it, and it had a good bar and chain. He said it would run, but I had my doubts. I put fresh fuel in it and took it to the woods. Man! That saw was fun to cut with. It is hard to crank cold, though. It seems to have MONSTER compression. I squirt a little gas in the carb when it's cold, and once it fires, it's good to go for as long as you want to run it. When the tank runs out and you re-fill, it will crank back up without the "priming". It sucks alot of saw chips around the recoil screen like a vacuum cleaner. Gotta brush that off often.

 

[jockeydeuce]

I've got an old P-40 in similar shape as yours. I paid a guy 25.00 for it, and it had a good bar and chain. He said it would run, but I had my doubts. I put fresh fuel in it and took it to the woods. Man! That saw was fun to cut with. It is hard to crank cold, though. It seems to have MONSTER compression. I squirt a little gas in the carb when it's cold, and once it fires, it's good to go for as long as you want to run it. When the tank runs out and you re-fill, it will crank back up without the "priming". It sucks alot of saw chips around the recoil screen like a vacuum cleaner. Gotta brush that off often.

That must be the going rate for a P-40!!! I paid $25 for mine too!!:hmm3grin2orange:

I haven't run mine in very cold weather yet, but it fires right up on the choke. I've never needed to prime it, but they all can have their quirks.

 

[WesternSaw]

Aaaahhhhhh !

Great to see this thread gathering some momentum recently.It was a little slow for awhile,but gathering steam again, it's one of the best here on AS.IMO
Thanks Fellas,Keep it Coming
Lawrence

 

[GoRving]

That must be the going rate for a P-40!!! I paid $25 for mine too!!:hmm3grin2orange:

I haven't run mine in very cold weather yet, but it fires right up on the choke. I've never needed to prime it, but they all can have their quirks.

I'd say we got good deals! My next one I have to get going is a 600. That one has a few issues from sitting.

Great to see this thread gathering some momentum recently.It was a little slow for awhile,but gathering steam again, it's one of the best here on AS.IMO
Thanks Fellas,Keep it Coming
Lawrence

You're right. Still some old Pioneers out there, and they're good saws.

 

[DSS]

I've got an old P-40 in similar shape as yours. I paid a guy 25.00 for it, and it had a good bar and chain. He said it would run, but I had my doubts. I put fresh fuel in it and took it to the woods. Man! That saw was fun to cut with. It is hard to crank cold, though. It seems to have MONSTER compression. I squirt a little gas in the carb when it's cold, and once it fires, it's good to go for as long as you want to run it. When the tank runs out and you re-fill, it will crank back up without the "priming". It sucks alot of saw chips around the recoil screen like a vacuum cleaner. Gotta brush that off often.

I hear you on the monster compression. I have a p40 and it's hard on the arm, too bad they didn't put a decomp on them like the little 50cc saws.

Fun saw to run however, I can't even imagine what a p62 must be like, they are torque monsters for sure. I use mine mostly for noodling big rounds and it works very , very well.

 

[WesternSaw]

Cut Baby Cut!

Just thought I would add a video to this thread of the P-40 I bought at a yard sale this spring. It looked a little rough, but all it needed was a bit of tinkering to make it run again. I cut a load of firewood with it last weekend just for fun and let all my more modern saws rest.

Pretty impressive for it's age............


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JockeyDeuce
Really nice to hear and see that Pioneer running! Yeah Baby!
Lawrence