Which Klotz?

[Slamm]

LOL, is it too hard to just fill up the tank with Amsoils Saber and run the saw? I've got saws with 10 times the hours as both of you guy's saws and the insides don't look like they have been run much over break in, and they have been run at 80:1 and 50:1 on the stuff, and the saws are all modded, they are the cleanest insides you will find ..... or that is what other knowledgeable engines guys have said about them......... just wondering.

Sam

 

[rms61moparman]

Yeah, I'm done with the Klotz R50. You'll notice that it's not in my top three. I'm sure it provides phenominal protection, but I believe these others can provide as good of protection and burn cleaner while doing it.

I'll take any of your left over R-50 Brad.



Mike

 

[RTK]

Anyone ever try redline racing oil? It burns really clean

 

[blsnelling]

I'll take any of your left over R-50 Brad.

I used all that I had. I'm not suggesting that it's not good oil. I just think there are better choices for our application. So, when it's time to purchase, I'm revisiting the topic. Plus I enjoy the hunt.

 

[HEAVY FUEL]

I've been running this for awhile now 40:1 curious to see how it does, another mineral oil.

 

[blsnelling]

LOL, is it too hard to just fill up the tank with Amsoils Saber and run the saw? I've got saws with 10 times the hours as both of you guy's saws and the insides don't look like they have been run much over break in, and they have been run at 80:1 and 50:1 on the stuff, and the saws are all modded, they are the cleanest insides you will find ..... or that is what other knowledgeable engines guys have said about them......... just wondering.

Sam

I'm not saying Saber's not good oil. That doesn't mean there aren't equally good or better oils. I enjoy the hunt, so that's what I'm doing.

 

[Slamm]

I'm not saying Saber's not good oil. That doesn't mean there aren't equally good or better oils. I enjoy the hunt, so that's what I'm doing.

I get that, but how will you ever know you found the trophy when 97% here will never actually wear out a saw??? Once you hit a certain level of quality oil, it won't make any difference, I mean none.

I was just talking to a guy that still uses that Walmart Super Tech outboard oil, this guy has millions of board feet on his saws and they are still running fine. I used Walmart Super Tech oil and still have saws that ran through a hot summer on the stuff, the piston and cylinders are stil fine and they have a lot of hours on them.

I use that example as one of crappier oil, and nobody on this forum would ever notice the difference and likely I would have saved enough money on oil to buy a new saw had I stayed with Walmart Super Tech over say this Amsoil Saber or whatever other wizbang oil is out there.

For the record I'm for a good synthetic, but I don't quite grasp the oil thing, when it seems the only people that ever care are the ones that would never know or see the difference in the metal of the piston or cylinder.

My opinion,

Sam

 

[computeruser]

Kinda late to the thread and maybe I just missed a conclusive answer earlier up in the thread, but a couple quick questions:

1. Does R50 have the Klotz smell, or is that limited to supertechniplate and other Klotz oils with the bean juice in them?

2. Of these various oils discussed, Klotz or otherwise, how do they compare to the now defunct Mobil Racing 2T? Someday I'll run out of MX2T, and I'd like to take a step forward, not backward, when that time comes. I know that saws I've run from new (or from rebuilt) on MX2T 43:1 stay completely clean, all hashmarks still visible, and no real carbon buildup up top in the cylinder or on the piston, even after many, many tanks.

3. Does anyone know what oil is being put in VP Racing's SmallEngineFuel premix? It is getting harder to find ethanol-free gas around here, and despite my best efforts I had a saw go down halfway through a job yesterday due to rubber bits in the carb dissolving, so given the "cost" of me being frustrated by #### like that, the expense of SEF (premix or mix-my-own) doesn't seem unreasonable given my rate of 2-cycle fuel consumption.

 

[rms61moparman]

Kinda late to the thread and maybe I just missed a conclusive answer earlier up in the thread, but a couple quick questions:

1. Does R50 have the Klotz smell, or is that limited to supertechniplate and other Klotz oils with the bean juice in them?

2. Of these various oils discussed, Klotz or otherwise, how do they compare to the now defunct Mobil Racing 2T? Someday I'll run out of MX2T, and I'd like to take a step forward, not backward, when that time comes. I know that saws I've run from new (or from rebuilt) on MX2T 43:1 stay completely clean, all hashmarks still visible, and no real carbon buildup up top in the cylinder or on the piston, even after many, many tanks.

3. Does anyone know what oil is being put in VP Racing's SmallEngineFuel premix? It is getting harder to find ethanol-free gas around here, and despite my best efforts I had a saw go down halfway through a job yesterday due to rubber bits in the carb dissolving, so given the "cost" of me being frustrated by #### like that, the expense of SEF (premix or mix-my-own) doesn't seem unreasonable given my rate of 2-cycle fuel consumption.

Yes it does!
Actually quite different from Super Techniplate but still very distinctive.
The Super Techniplate kinda gives me a headache if I am exposed to large doses of it and the R-50 doesn't do that.
The only time the Super Techniplate bothers me at all is on a very still day bucking BIG wood, especially with a front exhaust saw. (Which most of mine are) When I get down to the last of the cut and have to bend over or squat down it just gives me a twinge.


Mike

 

[Mastermind]

I used some motul 2t 710 and it burnt clean with no deposits. The other 660 didn't seem to have any carbon on the piston top until I used klotz. The belray seems to need richened up some extra compared to the klotz. The xpw has been run on klotz of some sort since the other guy owned it and the piston top is covered in a black layer. It might have 10-12 tanks run through it. Out of all the bike oils I've tried so far the belray or motul would be my 2 picks depending on price. The only other oil I want to try is the husky synthetic mix.

That Poulan synthetic they sell at Wally World is the same stuff from everything I've read about it.

Sam has a valid point in that any decent oil will work and work fine. I have so many saws and only cut my firewood and cookies when testing, there's no way I'll ever wear out a saw.

 

[ZeroJunk]

That Poulan synthetic they sell at Wally World is the same stuff from everything I've read about it.

Sam has a valid point in that any decent oil will work and work fine. I have so many saws and only cut my firewood and cookies when testing, there's no way I'll ever wear out a saw.

I have said this before. I have had saws come through here with everything on them worn out except the piston using who knows what, but I guarantee it was just whatever was on the shelf at the saw shop.

 

[Slamm]

I have said this before. I have had saws come through here with everything on them worn out except the piston using who knows what, but I guarantee it was just whatever was on the shelf at the saw shop.

Agreed.

I know quite a few Amish loggers that simply use Wally world outboard 2 stroke oil and they have used it for years on the same saws, yet the saws still run fine ...... I've run them.

It seems to me that after an individual simply steps up to synthetic or a name brand, its just splitting the already split hair at that point, and at that point, there isn't anyone on this earth with several million dollars worth of equipment that is going to observe the difference.

Sam

 

[blsnelling]

Slamm, this is a hobby for most of us. It doesn't have to make sense to you. As strange as it may sound, I want to research oils. Additionally, I'm not worried about my saw wearing out. All of the oils mentioned are top tier ester synthetic oils. I'm more interested in the cleanest burning, and the one that provides the best corrostion protection.

 

[Gologit]

Slamm, this is a hobby for most of us. It doesn't have to make sense to you. As strange as it may sound, I want to research oils. Additionally, I'm not worried about my saw wearing out. All of the oils mentioned are top tier ester synthetic oils. I'm more interested in the cleanest burning, and the one that provides the best corrostion protection.

Well said.

It gets old, you know, the constant badgering back and forth between the guys who make their living with a saw and the guys for who it's just a hobby. It's counter productive.

I've made my living with a saw for quite awhile.. That doesn't mean I know everything and it doesn't mean that I can't learn something new. The firewood guys, the cookie cutters, the motor-heads...the guys who have the time and the the opportunity to try new things...can be a wealth of knowledge. You guys are having fun, and experimenting, and finding things out...good and bad.

Oils, fuel mix, new bars and chains, tuning methods, tools, porting techniques..these are all things that the "hobby cutters" can work the bugs out of. You guys try all the new stuff, and you let us know what works and what doesn't...that's a valuable contribution.

And we who need our saws up and running every day, who stick with a narrow band of knowledge, performance, and products because we have neither the time nor the money for experimentation, can benefit from the idea sharing and knowledge that's available here.

LOL...you guys are our testing department. I was going to say 'crash dummies" but I figured maybe that would cause problems.

We won't always agree and we won't always buy into a new product or a new idea because of our work environment. A saw, for me, is just another tool to get my job done but that doesn't mean that I don't want it to run at it's very best and last as long as possible. That's just good business.

What works for the weekend warriors may not always work for us. But if we just blindly disagree with ideas that are presented here we're shooting ourselves in the foot. We can't afford to do that either.

 

[mdavlee]

I do like trying the new oils. I usually try to run 5 gallons in a short period of time with a oil. It seems that's all it takes to show up build up on piston crowns and exhaust ports.

Bob you tried the stihl light bars yet?

 

[Gologit]

I do like trying the new oils. I usually try to run 5 gallons in a short period of time with a oil. It seems that's all it takes to show up build up on piston crowns and exhaust ports.

Bob you tried the stihl light bars yet?

Not yet...still waiting for more reports from you guys. They're starting to make an appearance in the woods, though. And from what I've heard they're a big improvement on the Oregon RW. I have a 36" on order.

 

[mdavlee]

You can use them as a pry bar, Uh I mean to gently pop the undercut out.

I haven't tried it with the 36" yet. I might have to attach it to a lighter powerhead to use it falling. I like 90 cc saws but the 3120 with a 36" on it is about like a mac 125 without the vibes. Fun to play with for a cut or 3 but not to pack and fall trees with.

 

[Mastermind]

Well said.

It gets old, you know, the constant badgering back and forth between the guys who make their living with a saw and the guys for who it's just a hobby. It's counter productive.

I've made my living with a saw for quite awhile.. That doesn't mean I know everything and it doesn't mean that I can't learn something new. The firewood guys, the cookie cutters, the motor-heads...the guys who have the time and the the opportunity to try new things...can be a wealth of knowledge. You guys are having fun, and experimenting, and finding things out...good and bad.

Oils, fuel mix, new bars and chains, tuning methods, tools, porting techniques..these are all things that the "hobby cutters" can work the bugs out of. You guys try all the new stuff, and you let us know what works and what doesn't...that's a valuable contribution.

And we who need our saws up and running every day, who stick with a narrow band of knowledge, performance, and products because we have neither the time nor the money for experimentation, can benefit from the idea sharing and knowledge that's available here.

LOL...you guys are our testing department. I was going to say 'crash dummies" but I figured maybe that would cause problems.

We won't always agree and we won't always buy into a new product or a new idea because of our work environment. A saw, for me, is just another tool to get my job done but that doesn't mean that I don't want it to run at it's very best and last as long as possible. That's just good business.

What works for the weekend warriors may not always work for us. But if we just blindly disagree with ideas that are presented here we're shooting ourselves in the foot. We can't afford to do that either.

I just had to quote this great post. Thanks Bob, you da man.

 

[Rounder]

Mike, hadn't looked at this since you first posted it. What did you settle on?

Today I found Lucas Semi-Syn in gallons for a pretty good price locally, so we'll give it a shot. Always trying to find something cheaper, but still good quality. Been running Amsoil Sabre at 75:1, but it's kind of a pain to come by. Really cheap to run. The Lucas cost me a hair more at 50:1, but it looks like it will be easy to find in the 1 gallon jug. Could only find the Sabre by the quart (when I could even find it).

We'll see.......Hope you found something that works - Sam

 

[Fish]

Reviving an old oil thread is kind of interesting....

Cannot get enough emotion to float a new one...??

Yes, those that play with saws, and those that use them in their livelihood, gives added backround for this forum.....

Either way, it is kind of fun to read, but buying something because it says synthetic on the bottle, and watching a few infomercials, well heck,
I am still a tried and true Slick50 man......