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[manual]

Mr Hall,
What am I going to do with you ?
First your back cuts and now your hack tree Jobs.
What's next tree spikes and three strand rope ?

Big ugly has made a point and its a good one. I say T.S.
I do small tree jobs too. And If they are to big for me I get a tree climber to help out and I pay him for the job he does.
Mans got to know his limitations.
Oh sure I should let the tree crews around here do the job instead of me, Just as soon as they start turning me on to firewood sales and lawn care.
You see it's not just a one way street.
I can't tell you how many stump jobs I turn on to this guy and not one time has he returned the favor. Last time I rented a stump grinder and used his tree climber.
Now he wants me to mod his saw, And I will.
I'm just a small guy trying to feed a family so I do what I can.

 

[BigUglySquirrel]

Boys...poke all you want. I can take it. Yup, Im' hundreds of miles from you. But whether it's Oh or Va or any other state my points ARE valid. ANYWHERE. Thall, you hurt the local tree co.'s in your area. I'm glad you made a few bucks. Congrats. Send me some before pics of the tree and I'll tell you what we would have charged. From the looks of it about $450....take-down, chipped, no yard damage, raked to perfection. Throw another $35 or so for the stump. But I would like some better pics so I can give you an accurate price. My company chages FAIR prices for high quality work. I'm sure they're in your neck of the woods too. Find out who they are, recommend them and work out a cut for yourself. There, you made $50 spot for 15 seconds worth of work. We do it all the time. It's called networking and it's good for your business too. Like it or not...I'm right. You said that you deal with my type all the time huh? I'm overpriced? We get over 90% of the jobs we bid. If anything we're underpriced. And if my price is accurate from your pics...I'm the better value.

BTW Manual...we have landscapers and we GIVE away our firewood...we've got 5 scapers and about 12 firewood guys that we recommend. They do the same for us. Need firewood? You load it and it's yours. Bit of a drive I'm guessin'. Got a trailer? I can't see why guys aren't willing to hook you up...unless they sell it too. We don't mess with so much. Everybody up here sells it so prices are in the toilet.



BTW-I've got an HT101. It's very handy. Ladder? Only for taking down phone or cable lines if it's worthwhile.

Have to go...I'm sure there'll be more later.

 

[spike60]

You know Chris, your rant reminds me of a couple of my own.

I don't suppose that you buy any of your saws or supplies online to save a few bucks vs. the local dealers do you? If so, then although your points are valid, you would be a bit of a hypocrite wouldn't you?

I'm not trying to expand the argument, but the reality is that no one likes to have whatever he does undercut by some other entity that exerts a downward pull on prices. Whether it's online discounters, part time cutters, cheap stuff from China, whatever.

Like my store, your solution lies in focusing on the upper end of your business and the people willing to pay for your professionalism. But just because Thall doesn't have a fleet of bucket trucks, doesn't mean he isn't qualified to do the occasional tree job.

 

[AJLOGGER]

Last time I checked we live in the United States of America, not communist China, and last I checked we have a capitalist economy. Let me tell you something, if I want to pay $600 to have a tree taken down that is my right if I think they will do a better job. However, if I want to pay $100 to a qualified side jobsman, than you know what, that is my RIGHT!

I have a large maple tree in my backyard that I would love to have come down. But the lowest quote I got was $650. That maybe a fair price, but I am a cop. I don't make a lot of money, neither does my wife. We have a 2yr. old son and own our house and car (along with the bank). I don't crap $100 bills everytime I take a dump. So if I had a fellow like Thall who is qualified to take my tree down for $100, well hell yes money is in his hand. For that I can do the clean up. Let me tell you something Ugly, you have a job, so business must not be that bad. God Bless the U.S.A. and a FAIR free market.

 

[AJLOGGER]

AJLOGGER as a cop you must know that tax evasion is against the law.

.......and so is running a business without a license.

Nobody blames you for shopping around but knowingly supporting illegal business operators that don't pay taxes raises the question......

As a cop where do you draw the line?

Well for one who ever said that Thall or any other person for that matter didn't have a business license or didn't turn it in on their taxes? How do I know that any business has a business license or pays taxes, or what color underwear they wear, or what is their favorite brand of cola, or whats their favorite food. When I hire someone to do a job for whatever reason, even if they come in a truck or van with the name of a business on it I don't ask them, now you do have a business license, right? And I don't say, well I'm paying you in cash today, so I want to see a copy of your tax return so that I can be sure that you turned it in on your taxes. I don't know that you have a license or that you pay taxes. And I'm sure that you have a company truck, right. And I bet that you drive that truck for PERSONNAL business. However, I just bet that you probably turn your fuel that you used for that business in on your taxes. So in my book that is also cheating. And I'm sure that we could keep going on and on with little examples like that.

 

[AJLOGGER]

Oh and BTW, how many times have you sold a saw on e-bay or on here and collected the money and didn't turn it in on your taxes, or get a retail merchants license? Do you want me to keep going?

 

[04ultra]

Oh and BTW, how many times have you sold a saw on e-bay or on here and collected the money and didn't turn it in on your taxes, or get a retail merchants license? Do you want me to keep going?

Hmmmmmm.......... Maybe once or twice....



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[B_Turner]

you haven't seen my neighbor; even you'd do it for free

I was just out there Friday. You're holding out on me, Andy.

 

[AJLOGGER]

AJLOGGER that's some good logic you've got going there.

Cheating isn't bad.

How do you feel about stealing?

That would be nice if that is what I said. My point was is that you sit there and preach that Thall didn't have this and didn't do that but how do you know? And then I made the point that YOU probably cheat on stuff, not me. I simply said that I don't conduct a formal interview everytime I hire someone to do a job weather they have a business name or are just a side jobber.

 

[AJLOGGER]

Well I better stop arguing my point, because as my signature line states.........

 

[Lakeside53]

AJLOGGER as a cop you must know that tax evasion is against the law.

.......and so is running a business without a license.

Nobody blames you for shopping around but knowingly supporting illegal business operators that don't pay taxes raises the question......

As a cop where do you draw the line?

I'm just guessing here Treeco.. but have you never taken a cash job and "forgotten" to declare it as income.... ???

Edit: I see AJ already made that point.. but I'm leaving mine..

 

[Lakeside53]

I was just out there Friday. You're holding out on me, Andy.

Yep!

 

[Lakeside53]

you must be an angel

 

[spacemule]

Hate to side with Dan on this, but if Thal isn't insured, then he's not a legit business. Competition is fine, so long as all parties are complying with legal and ethical guidelines.

 

[Ductape]

THALL..... you are a troublemaker, aren't you !

 

[THALL10326]

Is Thall bragging again that he is doing 50 to 100 tree jobs per year without having a business license, without having insurance and without paying taxes on his income?

That little weasel!





If he were in my area I'd drop a dime on his miserable butt.

There were tears in Ohio last nite and now there's floods in Ga, good golly miss Molly. Tree change ya diaper and stop that crying, other folks like to keep the streets dry. Big is getting all the Kleenex but I hear Wal-mart has hankies on sale for .99, get a few dozen next time you shop there.

Tree your rant sorta reminds me of the folks who get quotes from pro's and then come see me. Just done a few tree's a couple weeks ago. The man got 4 quotes from 4 different tree outfits, 2300.00,1800.00,1200.00 and the lowest being 600.00. The job took 1.5 hours. Now do you understand why they come to me. Not everyone is ignorent Tree, some know a hour job isn't worth 600.00 to 2300.00 just because you got a license and insurance. You may think its a license to rob the public but some aren't inclined to let you. The funny part is I don't go to them, they come to me after dealing with folks like you. Not my fault I'll work for a 100.00 a hour and you won't. Oh I know, you gotta pay all these things as your excuse. If making 800.00 a day isn't enuff then you should find a side job here and there, wink!

If I was in your area I might swing by and teach you how to run a saw, I only charge 100.00 a hour for lessons, cash only,LOLOL

 

[THALL10326]

THALL..... you are a troublemaker, aren't you !

I must be in deed. Seems I cause alot of tears around the country, I feel bad, really I do,LOLOL

I'm being told from a guy in Ohio what I can and can't do in Virginia. I'm being called a weasel from a whiner in Ga. Somehow I can't understand why I sit here and grin and think what a bunch of woosies. I bet if I told them I do drywall work, paint apartments, carpentry and do saw work at home for folks that stop by the house those boys would flood the USA. I better hush, I see water building up in the street, some from the south and some from the north,LOL

 

[THALL10326]

Hate to side with Dan on this, but if Thal isn't insured, then he's not a legit business. Competition is fine, so long as all parties are complying with legal and ethical guidelines.

Well Space you side with Dan all ya want, I'm gonna keep on doing side jobs and as you correctly state, I am not a business, I don't need a license or insurance either one. I'm not a legit business at all. I'm simply doing some week end work on the side, nothing more. Any man that says he's never done a side job in his life for a few bucks is either a lyer and one lazy bas=ard. I'm neither. I'm also not competing for work either, I have no business cards, no number in the yellow pages. I also don't claim to be a arboristist nor do I pretend to be one and charge accordingly. Looks like Dan and Big and you too will just have to let it go cause there isn't one thing ya can do about it. BTW Space I got several tree's line up for next week end, wanna give me a hand, I'll pay you the sameway I get paid, CASH. Don't show Dan the serial numbers on the money though, he may call IRS, he seems to be the weasel type...

 

[THALL10326]

Boys...poke all you want. I can take it. Yup, Im' hundreds of miles from you. But whether it's Oh or Va or any other state my points ARE valid. ANYWHERE. Thall, you hurt the local tree co.'s in your area. I'm glad you made a few bucks. Congrats. Send me some before pics of the tree and I'll tell you what we would have charged. From the looks of it about $450....take-down, chipped, no yard damage, raked to perfection. Throw another $35 or so for the stump. But I would like some better pics so I can give you an accurate price. My company chages FAIR prices for high quality work. I'm sure they're in your neck of the woods too. Find out who they are, recommend them and work out a cut for yourself. There, you made $50 spot for 15 seconds worth of work. We do it all the time. It's called networking and it's good for your business too. Like it or not...I'm right. You said that you deal with my type all the time huh? I'm overpriced? We get over 90% of the jobs we bid. If anything we're underpriced. And if my price is accurate from your pics...I'm the better value.

BTW Manual...we have landscapers and we GIVE away our firewood...we've got 5 scapers and about 12 firewood guys that we recommend. They do the same for us. Need firewood? You load it and it's yours. Bit of a drive I'm guessin'. Got a trailer? I can't see why guys aren't willing to hook you up...unless they sell it too. We don't mess with so much. Everybody up here sells it so prices are in the toilet.



BTW-I've got an HT101. It's very handy. Ladder? Only for taking down phone or cable lines if it's worthwhile.

Have to go...I'm sure there'll be more later.

450.00 for that little tree, okkkkkkkkkkk. Sawing and clean up may have took a hour at most with a helper and a chipper. So you justify 450.00 a hour,okkkk. Now you know why people around here come see me. My point is Big what I do in Va has nothing to do with you or your business in Ohio. You need to blow smoke at the ones that may be hurting you, I sure am not. If you was here in my area and confronted me about it I'd tell you to merely what alot of the people tell arborsits around here, go f-ck ya self and go on about my way. Since ya in Ohio though and your complaining about me in Va its obvious your getting hammered by guys like me beings your so upset over it. Maybe its not me and guys like me but that 450.00 a hour you consider so fair thats causing your grief. Your a tree surgeon, but you charge about the same as a heart surgeon or a big shot lawyer per hour. You charge whatever you want, makes no nevermind to me. I'm not a business but I will admit guys like you charging 450.00 a hour keeps me busy on week ends. Keep those prices up there, I like week end work...

 

[THALL10326]

AJLOGGER that's some good logic you've got going there.

Cheating isn't bad.

How do you feel about stealing?

Tree you got a short memory. Remember you telling me you was heading up this way at Christmas. I told you to bring along those 038's ya have that do not run. I told you I would repair them for free, you just buy the parts. You thought that was great. You was gonna steal my services just cause I'm a good guy. I'll still fixem for ya though, I keep my word. However I'll have to charge you for labor now so you won't be stealing from me, we know how you feel about stealing now don't we,LOLOLOLOLOL