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[THALL10326]

Sure got quiet!

Awwwwwwwwwww its no biggie Livewire. Just alittle misunderstanding of people telling each other what they can and can't do, me being the one told of course. However after long debate along with some humor interjected in the process I think all is fine now. I feel certain not one thing has changed, I'm gonna keep on with the side jobs. In fact I may hire those that don't like me doing such things as my accountants. Yup every tree I take down and make a buck on I will post pics of and the amount I made. I'm sure they will keep a closer eye on the figures than me for I don't worry about such things or them either. I know, I'm a bad guy, yup, I would share the proceeds with them but they really messed me up. Yup my Grandma read this thread and now tells me she's giving me a 1099 for 15.00 she gave me last year for mowing her grass all season durn it. See how fast things go astray. I quit and told her to hire a landscaping outfit. Now she pays 100.00 a mowing, serve's her right,wink!!!

 

[livewire]

:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[kevinj]

THALL, you NO DOUBT have a way with words.
And a sence of humor to use them effectivley.
Hey, If you have a Grandma near me, I'll do it for $75.00.

 

[THALL10326]

THALL, you NO DOUBT have a way with words.
And a sence of humor to use them effectivley.
Hey, If you have a Grandma near me, I'll do it for $75.00.

75.00, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I'll send her word,lololololol Beware of the 1099 though, thats ole huzzy, charge her 99.99, cover for the 1099,haha

 

[wdchuck]

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Read most of this thread this morning, and while I was out tending my flock and grooming the yard, it dawned on me....decision maker....the home owner.

Ya'll are dancin in the ring and the one who decides who to hire for a given task on private property is the land/home owner, try as we might to educate them as to the benefits of hiring a certified/insured/bonded professional for that task, it still falls on them to make the final call. So, it's their personal situation that often drives their decision to hire a pro or a sideliner, it is not ours to wonder why just to do or sigh.

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[THALL10326]

opcorn: opcorn: opcorn:



Read most of this thread this morning, and while I was out tending my flock and grooming the yard, it dawned on me....decision maker....the home owner.

Ya'll are dancin in the ring and the one who decides who to hire for a given task on private property is the land/home owner, try as we might to educate them as to the benefits of hiring a certified/insured/bonded professional for that task, it still falls on them to make the final call. So, it's their personal situation that often drives their decision to hire a pro or a sideliner, it is not ours to wonder why just to do or sigh.

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Bingo, been waiting for a post like that. They make the decisions, not me, not the pro. Its their choice and thats that. I'm not turning down a side job and I don't expect a pro to turn down a job either. If the pro gets the job fine with me, I could care less. 99% of the ones I get the property owner refuses to pay the pro. That being the case its not my fault. If they won't hire a pro and the pro's say I shouldn't do it either who is gonna do it, the property owner himself, if so I'll be glad to sell them a saw and say go for it. Either way its their property and their choice. Good post there.

 

[Peacock]

If the gentleman would keep his nose out of others' business he wouldn't get told to.

I will say this just to spite you.

Are you actually worried about something like that on a PUBLIC FORUM ON THE INTERNET?????!!!!!!

 

[BigUglySquirrel]

Thall-

Did I unload on you unfairly? Yeah...I'll admit it. You crunched a nerve even though your actions have NO effect on me directly. I'll apologize for the way I handled it initially. (Budweiser has a way of doing that)

Look...it's simple.

You undermine tree services to get jobs and you do those jobs without insurance.

I don't agree with what you do. I feel that if you are going to do the volume of work that you are doing you should get on the level with the guys who make their living in this field instead of cutting their throats. I feel this way because I'm one of those guys that does it by the book and it gripes me to see guys come in make me look like I'm trying to rape homeowners.

I'm not changing your mind. You aren't changing mine.

That's it. Move on. I hold no grudge against you and you claim to have no grudge against me. We don't agree on this and that's it. No point arguing any farther with it because we both believe too strongly in our opinions.

Truce?

 

[BigUglySquirrel]

Bingo, been waiting for a post like that. They make the decisions, not me, not the pro. Its their choice and thats that. I'm not turning down a side job and I don't expect a pro to turn down a job either. If the pro gets the job fine with me, I could care less. 99% of the ones I get the property owner refuses to pay the pro. That being the case its not my fault. If they won't hire a pro and the pro's say I shouldn't do it either who is gonna do it, the property owner himself, if so I'll be glad to sell them a saw and say go for it. Either way its their property and their choice. Good post there.

What can I say. You're right. Both of you. The homeowner choses who he wants to do the job. In the end the rest of it really doesn't matter.

 

[Ductape]

 

[THALL10326]

Thall-

Did I unload on you unfairly? Yeah...I'll admit it. You crunched a nerve even though your actions have NO effect on me directly. I'll apologize for the way I handled it initially. (Budweiser has a way of doing that)

Look...it's simple.

You undermine tree services to get jobs and you do those jobs without insurance.

I don't agree with what you do. I feel that if you are going to do the volume of work that you are doing you should get on the level with the guys who make their living in this field instead of cutting their throats. I feel this way because I'm one of those guys that does it by the book and it gripes me to see guys come in make me look like I'm trying to rape homeowners.

I'm not changing your mind. You aren't changing mine.

That's it. Move on. I hold no grudge against you and you claim to have no grudge against me. We don't agree on this and that's it. No point arguing any farther with it because we both believe too strongly in our opinions.

Truce?

Big no need to say sorry for anything to me, I know where your coming from and I understand your point of view completely but you tend to ignore half of what I said. I don't go looking for tree work at all. I don't undercut arborists at all. Most of the people that come to me have already decided no to a arborist, plain and simple. Now if they won't let a pro do it the least you can do is walk away and let someone else do it, thats the only point I've been trying to make. You have never lost a job you never had in the first place so no point in accusing me of taking work you never had to begin with.

As I told you I bear no grudge at all. I don't know how my words appear to you but trust me I'm not mad at all, haven't been through this whole thread. I kinda found it entertaining myself. So yup, you and me is cool, we've been cool all along here. Glad to have met ya, really I am. And don't fear, I don't venture far from the house, 20 miles is my limit on tree work so I'm not gonna interfere with your business, ya hear, wink!, messing with ya ole boy, chill out and smile, we all cool...

 

[BigUglySquirrel]

I will say this just to spite you.

Are you actually worried about something like that on a PUBLIC FORUM ON THE INTERNET?????!!!!!!

You make a good point.
There...I won't be able to sleep for days over that.
I'm so stricken with spite.
Oh I'm so spitededed.
Whoa is my spited heart.

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[BigUglySquirrel]

AMEN!

Boys it's been fun...really. But it's bedtime. Goodnight to all and I'll catch ya round. Till we butt heads again!

 

[THALL10326]

AMEN!

Boys it's been fun...really. But it's bedtime. Goodnight to all and I'll catch ya round. Till we butt heads again!

Sleep well ole boy and remember, the next time look to the left before you mess with me, THE CHAMP, just messing with ya Big. Its been a good thread and all is fine. Sleep well ole boy..

 

[RiverRat2]

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[THALL10326]

:jawdrop: opcorn: opcorn: opcorn:

River where you been. The boxing match is over so if ya bought a ticket I want you to know right now I'm a fair man, NO REFUNDS,

 

[Lakeside53]

After reading these 9 pages I think I'll have to refer all the Tree Service guys (and a few Arborists) that want me to do side jobs on their saws straight back to the Stihl (and Husky) dealerships. After all I don't have any insurance...

 

[PA Plumber]

I love side jobs. 1 1/2 times my regular rate. When I tell people that, they A. schedule during regular working hours, B. Find someone cheaper, C. do it themselves and then call me during regular business hours, or D. Wait a long time then check again to see if I "do side jobs."

 

[stihl 440]

making money

River where you been. The boxing match is over so if ya bought a ticket I want you to know right now I'm a fair man, NO REFUNDS,

Little excitement on the fourm today, eh? Too bad I missed most of it, oh well. Thall, I'm with you 110%, I do jobs for people that don't want a arborist to charge them $1,500 for a tree that can be felled without hitting anything. The most I've charged is $60.00 for a tree, I understand. They don't want to pay that rip off arborist price. And so what if he used a ladder, who gives a s:censored:, big whoop. We've all used em'. Thall handled his side of the story with no problem. And if Thall's getting 50-100 trees a year like this, he's making a pretty good profit. I'll talk later.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[spike60]

Wow, I got here late and I hope I didn't miss all the fun.

I do understand Big's point, and I see all different levels of guys doing tree work, (and lawns), with many different levels of legitimacy.

But I have a question which makes an important distinction: Big; do these guys who undercut you price wise do it to the extent that you actually don't have enough work?

If the answer is yes, then I understand why you are so angry.

But if the answer is no, then you are blowing your top for no reason. If your booked out for the week, then why do you care if somebody is out doing jobs on the side? In my area, there is plenty of work and the legit guys get the bigger jobs and the small guys get the smaller ones. The pros in my area make negative comments about the side jobbers, but they more or less feel that they're better off without low price customers. In other words, there is enough high priced work around that they don't care about not getting the smaller jobs that they don't really have time for. We were talking about this the other day and one of my pro guys said that the customers so and so was getting are the very ones he doesn't want.

It's the same deal with the lawn guys. And it's much the same being a shop owner. Every business has a high end and a low end. Focus on the high end and let the other guys have the low end.

You made a comment about leaving a lawn in "ready to mow" condition. That's high end thinking. But you must understand that not everyone can afford high end. And many that can, are just plain cheap. An operation like yours just isn't going to get that work, so snap open another Bud, and cool out.

I think that Thalls major point in this is that every tree isn't going to be taken down by a certified pro. And a guy like him is a lot safer than Joe Nicklepincher buying a saw at lowes and trying to do it himself.