661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[bwalker]

I'm assuming cylinder looked good too.

Perfect. Might have looked good at 40 or 50 or 60:1 ,but really what's the down side. And the bearings lived a very long life in this saw despite screaming it's guts out all the time.

 

[bwalker]

Perfect. Might have looked good at 40 or 50 or 60:1 ,but really what's the down side. And the bearings lived a very long life in this saw despite screaming it's guts out all the time.

Btw the piston top has some fuzz on it from a towel I had over it. That's what you see on the crown.

 

[Andyshine77]

Ported 346 xp ran at 32:1 from day one.
That's the original plug from 04 IIRC. This saw has been had the crap ran out of it and it never missed a beat.

Sure looks like that saws done a bit of work in it's day.

 

[Flatie]

Ported 346 xp ran at 32:1 from day one.
That's the original plug from 04 IIRC. This saw has been had the crap ran out of it and it never missed a beat.

2R?

 

[nitehawk55]

Likely the 32:1 has been the only thing stopping that saw from burning up . You need to spend a bit more time keeping your saws cleaned up so they run cooler .

 

[bwalker]

Sure looks like that saws done a bit of work in it's day.

Lots! Thought I would re ring it just because. Turns out the rings are about perfect.

 

[bwalker]

2R?

For the last 5 years or so.

 

[bwalker]

Likely the 32:1 has been the only thing stopping that saw from burning up . You need to spend a bit more time keeping your saws cleaned up so they run cooler .

Unlike the garage queens you see around here I run the damn things. Air filter is always kept clean but, I can't see the pint of polishing a damn chainsaw. I think it's track record over time speaks for its quality of maintenance.

 

[Andyshine77]

I see...

Summary -

I said that I thought that my 661 (broken in at 20-25 tanks) with muffler mod (exit port opened up from .625 dia to approx .78" dia.) running 50:1 H1R could beat or equal any Ported 661 running 32:1 H1R.

My basis for this was that H1R was so pure by volume of the bottle that at 32:1 ratio you were actually using to much oil in the mix and it would impead piston movement.

Maulhead took me up on the challenge with his Mastermind ported 661 also with approx 20 tanks of use.
We met at Iowa GTG.

Same tsumura bar used, 2 new RS chains one for each saw. Each saw emptied of gas and oil and refilled with same bar oil. Gas was purchased at the same station at the same time form the same pump.

Everyone saw. I ran the saws. Hedgerow ran the saws. Saws basically tied. We had two timers and video'd. If you want more info go look it up...page 100-120ish IIRC

So let me get this right...

I'm some how incompetent for the above.
Our method sucked and the test was totally unfair even though everyone there agreed it was legit.
Mastermind can't build a saw
The "appropriate information" ...whatever the fkc that is, wasn't shown.

and your a lazyazz short sighted jerk for not looking this **** up first and getting your facts straight before you make stupid accusations.

Quit wasting my time! I thought you were referring to oil testing. ie. the different oils. and ratios ie the 661 test 660 test 361 test.

Easy young buck this isn't a blood sport.

If the posted saw wasn't tested against other stock saws to determine if it actually makes more power than stock, the test results have even less validity. Ive ported saws that didn't make any gains, so has Brad, Randy and every saw builder I know. So I'm not downing Randy you or anyone else, **** happens.

But get the straight, one half baked comparison is not even being close to the gospel. Slowdown and ease up off more experience individuals, you're not helping your cause by lashing out with nonsense.

 

[bwalker]

I see...

Summary -

I said that I thought that my 661 (broken in at 20-25 tanks) with muffler mod (exit port opened up from .625 dia to approx .78" dia.) running 50:1 H1R could beat or equal any Ported 661 running 32:1 H1R.

My basis for this was that H1R was so pure by volume of the bottle that at 32:1 ratio you were actually using to much oil in the mix and it would impead piston movement.

Maulhead took me up on the challenge with his Mastermind ported 661 also with approx 20 tanks of use.
We met at Iowa GTG.

Same tsumura bar used, 2 new RS chains one for each saw. Each saw emptied of gas and oil and refilled with same bar oil. Gas was purchased at the same station at the same time form the same pump.

Everyone saw. I ran the saws. Hedgerow ran the saws. Saws basically tied. We had two timers and video'd. If you want more info go look it up...page 100-120ish IIRC

So let me get this right...

I'm some how incompetent for the above.
Our method sucked and the test was totally unfair even though everyone there agreed it was legit.
Mastermind can't build a saw
The "appropriate information" ...whatever the fkc that is, wasn't shown.

and your a lazyazz short sighted jerk for not looking this **** up first and getting your facts straight before you make stupid accusations.

Quit wasting my time! I thought you were referring to oil testing. ie. the different oils. and ratios ie the 661 test 660 test 361 test.

I about fell out of my chair when I read the H1R being "pure"....someone drank the coolaide..

 

[Andyshine77]

well considering their was another ported 661 there and the two ported 661s were run against each other and they were approx the same...I disagree.

whatever ...Bucky

Disagreement has nothing to do with any of this, I'm looking for better information, which we do not have. Sorry you're making assumptions and guesses.

No reason to act immature BTW.

 

[bwalker]

well considering their was another ported 661 there and the two ported 661s were run against each other and they were approx the same...I disagree.

whatever ...Bucky

I would guess redbulls saw runs pretty good and responded to the muffler mod he made well. I have also talked to the porter and the saw rebull ran against was a good runner. I would say that H1R mixed at 32:1 made the ported saw run like crap, which isn't a supprise. I would also suggest the same dynamic are at play at 50:1, just the symptoms are less pronounced.
Now, I will ask the question again. Why would an oil designed for a motocross application run like crap at the ratio the motorcycle OEM's reccomend their bikes be ran at?
The stuff is low grade crap...

 

[bwalker]

Disagreement has nothing to do with any of this, I'm looking for better information, which we do not have. Sorry you're making assumptions and guesses.

No reason to act immature BTW.

He sure does make alot of guesses and ASSumptions.
You have to when you haven't done much..

 

[CR500]

I would guess redbulls saw runs pretty good and resonated to the muffler mod he made well. I have also talked to the porter and the saw rebull ran against was a good runner. I would saw that H1R mixed at 32:1 made the ported saw run like crap, which isn't a supprise. I would also suggest the same dynamic are at play at 50:1, just the symptoms are less pronounced.
Now, I will ask the question again. Why would an oil designed for a motocross application run like crap at the ratio the motorcycle OEM's reccomend their bikes be ran at?
The stuff is low grade crap...

How do you like K2 so far????.... honestly anxious for your opinion

It seems to burn halfway clean and leaves a very good shine of oil behind.


Getting tired of pulling the muffler of the dolmar to check up on the oil haha I think the 044 needs some portwork or a 460 cylinder so I can "bear" to run it again lol

 

[bwalker]

you two haven't done jack squat except exercise your finger tips. You haven't run any tests of any sorts. Armchair commandos at their finest. Big time critics who don't read or can't comprehend what they are reading. Too lazy to get their own assumptions accusations correct. Can't even grasp the concept that solvents don't count as lubricants.

Typical moronic response..
Your tests are garbage ,despite much effort.
The oil you pump sucks too..
Life's hard when your stupid.

 

[zogger]

i bet the smell fumes and smoke would be deadly

Ha, you guys think I'm joking. We ran saws like that back in the day on dino 30 weight car oil and even measuring was sorta loose. Four good glugs per gallon (or thereabouts). Ya, some smoke for sure, but it worked.

I know there's other guys here who remember that.

 

[bwalker]

The only one pumping oil is you. Your entire play book ... based on your buddy mark's fairy tale pipe dream. http://www.legendperformance.com/technical-info/

my tests are garbage eh? well you haven't done anything. Your just here to troll it up.

you have yet to say anything about H1R that even makes one bit of sense. You hate them. Obviously you have an agenda.

I have never reccomend that oil..and I said the article was crap..

 

[bwalker]

The only one pumping oil is you. Your entire play book ... based on your buddy mark's fairy tale pipe dream. http://www.legendperformance.com/technical-info/

my tests are garbage eh? well you haven't done anything. Your just here to troll it up.

you have yet to say anything about H1R that even makes one bit of sense. You hate them. Obviously you have an agenda.

I don't hate Belray..I just used some of their excellant waterproof grease. That doesn't change the fact H1R is garbage..your hyping garbage and your to stupid to realize it..

 

[Raganr]

My initial impression of K2:

K2 has a distinct amine smell (probably from the dispersant functionality) and as posted, the oil is less viscous than H1R. Fuel mixed with K2 has a red tint (as does H1R) and minimal odor when burned. I need to try it in a few saws but the nose picked H1R today.

 

[bwalker]

My initial impression of K2:

K2 has a distinct amine smell (dispersant) and as posted, the oil is less viscous than H1R. Fuel mixed with K2 has a red tint (as does H1R) when mixed and minimal odor when burned. I need to try it in a few saws but the nose is picked H1R today.

It probaly doesn't use a nitrogen based dispersent. Most oils other than those used for outboards dont.