661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[Deleted member 83629]

I'm done here it's over my head

 

[Raganr]

I ran H1R because it was suggested by several saw porters. Reading this thread made me take a fresh look. It would be interesting to know the average molecular weight for the oils discussed. The manufactures know it (or at least for the components in their additive mixture) but may not want to share.

Although I dont like the smell of amines, I know they serve a purpose in oils so it leads me to believe K2 may be a better oil. Amines are not cheap so that may also explain the higher cost.

 

[Andyshine77]

andy so stock 50:1 r50 - vs - 32:1 r50 ported?

Any oil you want!!

 

[bwalker]

Being an engineer alone is way beyond most of our pay grades here. Fancy? Just because you don't have any high ranking engineer friends?

Their experience with bearings and other experiences surely would qualify them for an opinion, would it not?

Your assuming and you would be very wrong. I know plenty of engineers and work with a dozen of them, but GE turbines don't have anything to do with two strokes. No different for your pals.
And I am payed more than the engineers.

 

[Andyshine77]

RB do you care to make a counter offer? I could always use another saw.

 

[Andyshine77]

Not so confident are we???

 

[porsche965]

Your assuming and you would be very wrong.

And so are you Bwalker. Retired at 37 years old. I'm way smarter than you know

 

[porsche965]

RB do you care to make a counter offer? I could always use another saw.

I thought this was about oil testing? If it's racing we are after let's start another thread!

I'm interested in Oils.

 

[mdavlee]

Now wait a minute. I'm missing something here. I thought Brad and MM were running 32:1 Bel Ray H1R in their ported saws. Correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't H1R the oil everyone, well a lot of on this site were running before this thread started?

A lot were running it. I didn't make it through a pint or liter before I give up on it. The first time milling was enough of that. Then the Weedeater ran like crap so I went back to klotz and tried some others.

 

[Raganr]

I am sure there are plenty of engineers here but I don't think an engineering degree makes them any more knowledgeable on this subject. There are a lot of engineering fields out there. My guess is that bwalker has some experience in the the lubricant industry and interest in 2 cycle engines..... Being an engineer is not required to speak knowledgeably on a subject, even a lab tech from the lubricant industry and interest in 2 cycle engines could provide valuable insight.

 

[Andyshine77]

I thought this was about oil testing? If it's racing we are after let's start another thread!

I'm interested in Oils.

No no no. RB said a stock saw running 50:1 or 40:1 will make up the power difference if you're running 32:1 in a ported saw.

 

[Hedgerow]

Now wait a minute. I'm missing something here. I thought Brad and MM were running 32:1 Bel Ray H1R in their ported saws. Correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't H1R the oil everyone, well a lot of on this site were running before this thread started?

Actually, no.. But what some folks use to protect bearings don't equate to better performance.. I know for a fact my ported 562 don't like 32:1 mix.. It may be great and all, but there's something it don't like about that mix..
I have found, through many tanks of use, 40:1 is all I can run without negative effects. I run Lucas cause it's cheap and works.. The carbed saws get the same mix cause I ain't gonna make special mix for one saw..
When it's play time, the saws get a richer mix...

 

[Andyshine77]

77 - has nothing to do with confidence. I think it would be closer than you think. That's what I think.

muff modded 372 whatever it is with whatever oil I want vs ported 372 running 32:1 r50 sludge. ...yeah it would be way closer than u think it would be. would it win. i dunno. would i do it. sure.

MM all you want!! It will not be close!! you're in over you're head. If I'm wrong you get a saw. So you have nothing offer??

 

[Andyshine77]

no you idiot. once again u can't read. I said a 661 running 50:1 H1R vs 661 ported running H1R at 32:1.

all i proved was u couldn't run h1r that heavy. once he went to 40:1 h1r he started kicking my azz.

So you're saying H1R is junk??

 

[porsche965]

Actually, no.. But what some folks use to protect bearings don't equate to better performance.. I know for a fact my ported 562 don't like 32:1 mix.. It may be great and all, but there's something it don't like about that mix..
I have found, through many tanks of use, 40:1 is all I can run without negative effects. I run Lucas cause it's cheap and works.. The carbed saws get the same mix cause I ain't gonna make special mix for one saw..
When it's play time, the saws get a richer mix...

My 362c is worse as far as richer ratios. The 562xp can handle a bit more but isn't necessary. 43:1 here and 50:1 on the 362c. Yep, two cans for the posse of saws, just depends on the saw as to what to use.

 

[KG441c]

Welcome to The Jerry Springer Show!!!!!

 

[Hedgerow]

More than one type of saw will be needed, different oils as well. A new is not the best option, I've seen huge differences in power and the tune as a saw breaks in. Temperature and proper tuning will be critical.

And Red Bull if a stock 372 running 50:1 or 40:1 out cuts my ported 372 running 32:1 with Klotz R50, I'll give you my 372 no questions asked. Obviously the stock saw will be inspected to make sure it hasn't been ported. At the 50cc saw shootout all the saws were inspected to make sure there wasn't anything out of the norm. No how's that for putting money on the table??

It won't..
I don't think that's what RB was insinuating from the beginning..
It was the fact that 32:1 H1R ran worse than 50:1 H1R in the mt 661 saws..
Enough so to make up a good port Jon's difference..
He thinks it's a thickness issue and the other fella thinks it's a poor quality issue..
And there you have it professor..
Analyze...
I

 

[Andyshine77]

My 362c is worse as far as richer ratios. The 562xp can handle a bit more but isn't necessary. 43:1 here and 50:1 on the 362c. Yep, two cans for the posse of saws, just depends on the saw as to what to use.

That's too bad, I know these saws are on the edge of tuning out of the box. EHP is modding the carbs and they are doing real well and putting up with plenty of abuse. All running 32:1 BTW lol.

 

[bwalker]

So you're saying H1R is junk??

Pretty much, but he's too dumb to realize it.

 

[bwalker]

That's too bad, I know these saws are on the edge of tuning out of the box. EHP is modding the carbs and they are doing real well and putting up with plenty of abuse. All running 32:1 BTW lol.

My bone stock 562 runs great at 32:1