661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[bwalker]

How do you like K2 so far????.... honestly anxious for your opinion

It seems to burn halfway clean and leaves a very good shine of oil behind.


Getting tired of pulling the muffler of the dolmar to check up on the oil haha I think the 044 needs some portwork or a 460 cylinder so I can "bear" to run it again lol

I won't know till at 4least the end of the summer. Decided to run it in my bike too.
Btw I see you owned a SH AF. Me too!

 

[Andyshine77]

The only one pumping oil is you. Your entire play book ... based on your buddy mark's fairy tale pipe dream. http://www.legendperformance.com/technical-info/

my tests are garbage eh? well you haven't done anything. Your just here to troll it up.

you have yet to say anything about H1R that even makes one bit of sense. You hate them. Obviously you have an agenda.

My agenda is to find what is, not what I want to hear. You're set in false beliefs based on unscientific testing. We still have no idea where the ported test saw stands. I don't care what any builders says a saw can do, without any factual data to back it up, we really have no idea whet we have.

RB if you can't swim don't jump in the water.

 

[porsche965]

This all smells to me like a good time to get your wallets out boys. I'm still waiting for a few good men to take me up on buying new saws and testing oils. Instead of talking about it start spending $. That's what real men do lol. Anyone can talk without testing or taking their time and cash. Anything less is BS. If you believe in what you are saying let's go! And don't talk about all the stuff you HAVE done in life, time to take higher ground. I'm not interested in yesterdays, have a few lives worth of those myself.

Quiet....that's what I thought. No takers. Pathetic. I asked yesterday and no response. I'm still waiting. Get 20 guys together with $200 each (or more, whatever it takes) and let's have some fact finding fun. This could be the start of a new thread that would be the biggest in AS history!

 

[Deleted member 83629]

me thinks you need to buy a poulan wildthing and compare it with supertech outboard oil at different mixtures.

 

[Andyshine77]

This all smells to me like a good time to get your wallets out boys. I'm still waiting for a few good men to take me up on buying new saws and testing oils. Instead of talking about it start spending $. That's what real men do lol. Anyone can talk without testing or taking their time and cash. Anything less is BS. If you believe in what you are saying let's go! And don't talk about all the stuff you HAVE done in life, time to take higher ground. I'm not interested in yesterdays, have a few lives worth of those myself.

Quiet....that's what I thought. No takers. Pathetic. I asked yesterday and no response. I'm still waiting. Get 20 guys together with $200 each (or more, whatever it takes) and let's have some fact finding fun. This could be the start of a new thread that would be the biggest in AS history!

I'm all for it 100%!!! I'd really like to see everything documented on a spread sheet. A good engineer would also be able to come up with a proper testing cell, that sure would be nice.

 

[Deleted member 83629]

why buy saws to use for tests? use your own

 

[porsche965]

....set forth a method. That is a great phrase. Ok, now let's do some sort of pole to see who we have willing to join this pay to play and view test. There is a lot of years of personal experience on this thread. Probably a lot more that are following along that we don't see.

Put our ideas together and let's form up a METHOD of TESTING. Sure it won't measure up to an MIT analysis but this is suppose to be fun and we will try to be as accurate as possible. Think about it. What would be your best idea of testing? We all are listening, chime in

 

[porsche965]

why buy saws to use for tests? use your own

Too much of a variable I would think. New saws would be as close to even as possible. Not a race but two or three saws with combined results should give us a narrow variable worth believing.

 

[porsche965]

Remember whatever we don't use in supplies or the saws that are used can be sold and the proceeds split to a couple of your favorite charities.

 

[KenJax Tree]

You boys pony up and spend the big $$, i'll be over here with one of these cuttin' wood

 

[porsche965]

I have access to two engineers. One at Timken Research in Canton Ohio and one that worked for NASA years ago. Two very bright guys. Next week I'll ask both of them what they think of a way to carry out our test just to see if they have any bright ideas we may use.

 

[bwalker]

This all smells to me like a good time to get your wallets out boys. I'm still waiting for a few good men to take me up on buying new saws and testing oils. Instead of talking about it start spending $. That's what real men do lol. Anyone can talk without testing or taking their time and cash. Anything less is BS. If you believe in what you are saying let's go! And don't talk about all the stuff you HAVE done in life, time to take higher ground. I'm not interested in yesterdays, have a few lives worth of those myself.

Quiet....that's what I thought. No takers. Pathetic. I asked yesterday and no response. I'm still waiting. Get 20 guys together with $200 each (or more, whatever it takes) and let's have some fact finding fun. This could be the start of a new thread that would be the biggest in AS history!

No one smart is quick to pony up cash because it's pouring money down a dry hole...

 

[Deleted member 83629]

why not use a de prony brake to find the results instead of timed vuts in s saw.

 

[Hedgerow]

Disagreement has nothing to do with any of this, I'm looking for better information, which we do not have. Sorry you're making assumptions and guesses.

No reason to act immature BTW.

What has not been posted is the end of day results.. I know, cause I ran them.. In a red Elm log, free of knots, the ported saws, running the same fuel as red bulls saw, made approximately 25% better times than the stock muff modded saw.. Mitch ported one and Randy ported one.. The two ported saws were virtually identical.
Earlier in the day, the ported saw was dead even with the stock saw as the ported saw was running that bell ray **** 32:1...
Stocker was at 50:1..
Fact... Anyone wanna debate with me??? I'm game...

 

[bwalker]

yeah I can't wait to hear bwalker and andyshine's methods. we're only on post #3713.

I have no desire to prove your oil sucks to you. I ALREADY KNOW IT DOES BECAUSE I HAVE USED THE CRAP,along with other quality oils that dont have fubared tuning characteristics or lead to massive power loss with a small chanhe in oik ratio,as your own testing proved.

 

[porsche965]

What has not been posted is the end of day results.. I know, cause I ran them.. In a red Elm log, free of knots, the ported saws, running the same fuel as red bulls saw, made approximately 25% better times than the stock muff modded saw.. Mitch ported one and Randy ported one.. The two ported saws were virtually identical.
Earlier in the day, the ported saw was dead even with the stock saw as the ported saw was running that bell ray **** 32:1...
Stocker was at 50:1..
Fact... Anyone wanna debate with me??? I'm game...

Now wait a minute. I'm missing something here. I thought Brad and MM were running 32:1 Bel Ray H1R in their ported saws. Correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't H1R the oil everyone, well a lot of on this site were running before this thread started?

 

[bwalker]

I have access to two engineers. One at Timken Research in Canton Ohio and one that worked for NASA years ago. Two very bright guys. Next week I'll ask both of them what they think of a way to carry out our test just to see if they have any bright ideas we may use.

Fancy..but last I knew NASA doesn't fart around with two strokes and neither does timken.

 

[porsche965]

We are talking about testing quite a few brands of oils, just not H1R. And ratios also.

 

[Andyshine77]

More than one type of saw will be needed, different oils as well. A new saw is not the best option, I've seen huge differences in power and the tune as a saw breaks in. Temperature and proper tuning will be critical.

And Red Bull if a stock 372 running 50:1 or 40:1 out cuts my ported 372 running 32:1 with Klotz R50, I'll give you my 372 no questions asked. Obviously the stock saw will be inspected to make sure it hasn't been ported. At the 50cc saw shootout all the saws were inspected to make sure there wasn't anything out of the norm. No how's that for putting money on the table??

 

[porsche965]

Fancy..but last I knew NASA doesn't fart around with two strokes and neither does timken.

Being an engineer alone is way beyond most of our pay grades here. Fancy? Just because you don't have any high ranking engineer friends?

Their experience with bearings and other experiences surely would qualify them for an opinion, would it not?