661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[Trx250r180]

I cut until the paint burns off one side then flip the bar until it burns off that side then i sharpen the chain and repeat.

you need a kick in the azz

 

[bwalker]

Well... I for one ain't learned a damn thing from this thread... except that some people believe some pretty wild stuff about two-stroke oil, and will fault anyone with results contrary to their beliefs.
Just too many absolutes being thrown out...

For example "More Oil = More Power"... well then, why stop at 32:1, or 24:1, or even 8:1?? Heck, if more oil = more power why not mix it 1:1?? Oh, I see, too much oil = less power. So if you're running 8:1 than less oil = more power. But... but... but... I thought more oil = more power. So more oil doesn't always = more power, sometimes less oil = more power... unless it's not enough oil than more oil = more power. See what I mean... I already knew that too much oil, or too little oil, was detrimental to performance... so I didn't learn sour owl squat.

Along that line... there ain't no friggin' way anyone can claim a 32:1 (or whatever) mix of any particular oil is "best" for every engine, every saw, in all conditions... it might be perfect for yours, it might be horrible in mine. Too many variables, it depends, there ain't no absolutes... there ain't no magic...

Personally I don't care to use any two-stroke oil with directions on the label for multiple mix ratios... in my experience a jack of all trades is a master of none.
I mean, c'mon, talk about a CYA lack of commitment... if you can't commit and stand behind your product, than I ain't gonna' lay out my cash for it (shrug)
But that's just me... I ain't suggesting anyone should do as I do.

The truth is, after reading all of this, I've concluded the smartest thing I can do is to just continue doing what I've been doing... that is pouring the same 50:1 (dino) mix in all the two-stroke OPE, even the old 1970s vintage stuff that originally ran on 16:1. As the mix oil has evolved over the years from 16:1, to 24:1, to 32;1, to 40:1, and now 50:1, I've experienced fewer and fewer starting/running problems, never foul a plug anymore, and rarely have to adjust carbs... even in the really old stuff (oh... and I've never seized one neither). That's worth a whole lot more to me than any ½% increase in power, or a ½% decrease in fuel consumption, or whatever else the claims are... I just want 'em to start and run when I need 'em... there was a day when ya' couldn't count on that.
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More oil does equal more power down to something below 16:1 as documented by Gordon Jennings, Mercury Marine and others.
With that said information like the above is only good if one can critically think and apply it. As far as I know, no one advocated running a saw at 16:1 for normal use.
Load and oil migration times dictate how much oil you need to use. If you want to use an arbitrary number for a mix ratio have at it.

 

[windthrown]

I am changing over to a new bar oil now. Ape Oil. Its rendered from crushed & fermented brush ape. And since no one wants anything to do with it, it is also really cheap. Slick as snot, but sticks to a bar like glue.

 

[Trx250r180]

I am changing over to a new bar oil now. Ape Oil. Its rendered from crushed & fermented brush ape. And since no one wants anything to do with it, it is also really cheap. Slick as snot, but sticks to a bar like glue.

How does it work with .404 chain ?

 

[Whitespider]

More oil does equal more power down to something below 16:1 as documented by Gordon Jennings, Mercury Marine and others.

And people say I live in the past
Gordon Jennings' Two-stroke Tuner's Handbook is 42 years old‼ The two-stroke Lawn-Boy mower was high-tech when Jennings wrote it‼ That's not to say all of the information in it no longer applies, but anything to do with oil is way outdated and at the very best, questionable if not flat obsolete. You're gonna' haf'ta come up with something a bit more current than something published in 1973 if'n ya' want me to take it seriously when talkin' 'bout the oil we use today. Heck man, the oil he was using ain't even been available for near 3 decades‼
(By-the-way, I have a copy of his handbook.)

I'll flat-out tell ya'... when Stihl changed their oil from 40:1 to 50:1 (what?? mid or late 90s??) my OPE showed a noticeable performance improvement, and that there is a fact (with my OPE). You're the one that's mentioned "track record" in this thread several times... right?? Well, the "track record" I've personally experienced means a whole lot more to me than any other you can quote... period.
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[bwalker]

And people say I live in the past
Gordon Jennings' Two-stroke Tuner's Handbook is 42 years old‼ The two-stroke Lawn-Boy mower was high-tech when Jennings wrote it‼ That's not to say all of the information in it no longer applies, but anything to do with oil is way outdated and at the very best, questionable if not flat obsolete. You're gonna' haf'ta come up with something a bit more current than something published in 1973 if'n ya' want me to take it seriously when talkin' 'bout the oil we use today. Heck man, the oil he was using ain't even been available for near 3 decades‼
(By-the-way, I have a copy of his handbook.)

I'll flat-out tell ya'... when Stihl changed their oil from 40:1 to 50:1 (what?? mid or late 90s??) my OPE showed a noticeable performance improvement, and that there is a fact (with my OPE). You're the one that's mentioned "track record" in this thread several times... right?? Well, the "track record" I've personally experienced means a whole lot more to me than any other you can quote... period.
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Your guessing it's outdated and not applicable . I know of a guy who repeated the test with marine engines in the 90's and came to the same conslusions.

 

[Whitespider]

I cut until the paint burns off one side then flip the bar until it burns off that side then i sharpen the chain and repeat.

That ain't nothin'‼
I just picked up (another) bar for dads saw... he don't sharpen the chains himself, he brings 'em to me.
He'll keep grinding away until hunks of steel get ripped from the bar rails... and I ain't making that up‼
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[Whitespider]

Your guessing it's outdated. I know of a guy who repeated the test with Marine engines in then 90's and came to the same conslusions.

The 90s happened over a decade ago... but you're getting closer.
So you know a guy (one guy??) who repeated the test with marine engines in the 90s (early or late? early would make it over 2 decades ago)... and because you know a guy from the 90s it applies to two-stroke oil, in chainsaws, in 2015?? But... but... the 2015 test from the OP of this thread means nothing??

Whatever...
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[windthrown]

How does it work with .404 chain ?

I dunno. I only run 3/8 chain (std. and Picco). I also put .404 (and all other psychotropic BAs) in my iggy list here with WS.

Now there is a thought. Put WS and BA into a cage and see who comes out alive?

 

[svk]

Oh boy....AS celebrity cage matches lol

 

[windthrown]

Oh boy....AS celebrity cage matches lol

 

[KenJax Tree]

Remember celebrity death match on MTV?

 

[svk]

Remember celebrity death match on MTV?

Hanson vs Spice Girls....Britney vs Christina LOL

 

[KenJax Tree]

Madonna vs Michael Jackson was a good one

 

[Big_Wood]

good ol, spidey. i always hear people say he's a pain in the ass but he's ok in my books.

 

[windthrown]

Currently scheduled AS celeb cage fights:

WS vs BA (with long and deep, often times conflicting and confusing essays)
Fish vs MfromM (one liners only)

 

[svk]

WS has 8 arms/legs. Perhaps allow BA to bring a couple of his aliases with to make it a more fair fight?

 

[KenJax Tree]

But aren't apes something like 10x stronger than man?

 

[windthrown]

Yah, you can smell then 10 blocks away.

 

[svk]

But aren't apes something like 10x stronger than man?

Yes but so are arachnids