661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[Stihlman441]

I'm surprised no one seems to be aware of Lubegard's 2 cycle oil. I've used Mobil 1 Racing 2t and decided to experiment with Lubegard's product. The stuff seem like a possible replacement for it: http://www.amazon.com/Lubegard-1293...d=1442604826&sr=8-2&keywords=lubegard+premium

It is thinner than mx2t, probably SAE20 grade. It has an unusual color dye also, it's a deep yellow. I'm breaking in an old Redmax blower, HBZ2500 that was never used, and using an overkill ratio of 16:1 and it has NO smoke, not even on startup. Also what's really surprising is that even with that much oil, there is zero oil residue coming out of the muffler. It seems like that might still be too much oil though, even for break in because it *just* barely stops 4-stroking at full throttle, So I'm thinking of backing off the oil to either 18:1, or 20:1. Lubegard also doesn't produce the objectionable (to me) smell of mx2t/m1r. No idea how well it truly protects because I've never done a tear down after using it for any length of time. I still have a lot of m1 racing if anyone wants to buy any (like 8 cases).

Anyways, this is a very interesting thread. It's like arboristsite meets bobistheoilguy.com.

I have been using the Mobil 1 racing 2T for years and is good stuff but getting harder to find and expensive in Ozz

 

[Deleted member 83629]

none of those crowns look good.

 

[Andyshine77]

none of those crowns look good.

You obviously haven't been in any high hour equipment.

 

[Deleted member 83629]

i have but not any stihls most of what i pull apart look like this

 

[Deleted member 83629]

and here is the crown

 

[Andyshine77]

and here is the crown
View attachment 448085

And you think that looks better?? Buildup on the crown is normal the skirts, rings and pin should be clean, ultra provides that.

As does R50.

 

[Deleted member 83629]

I didn't say it looks better did i, I do know ultra provides that but i will not under any circumstances burn ultra in anything 2 stroke i own period
it smells bad and gives me splitting headaches, furthermore i was just showing pictures of what i seen in two strokes engines that are run day in and day out.

 

[Andyshine77]

none of those crowns look good.

I didn't say it looks better did i, I do know ultra provides that but i will not under any circumstances burn ultra in anything 2 stroke i own period
it smells bad and gives me splitting headaches, furthermore i was just showing pictures of what i seen in two strokes engines that are run day in and day out.

Than what was your point? You don't like Ultra and that's fine, but the pics you posted were not from an engine ran on ultra, and they would look better if the engine was ran on any good oil, like ultra. You were trying to insinuate that Ultra is a poor product, simply because it smells bad, "which it does" but that has nothing to do with the oils performance.

 

[Deleted member 83629]

that engine was ran on poulan oil for the majority of it's life stihl oil isn't bad oil just over priced.

 

[KG441c]

Ive hardly pulled any engines that have that much blow by. Looks horrible and rings must be shot? What saw was that on?

 

[Deleted member 83629]

engine was a old chainsaw from the 70-80's i think a echo 302??? saw has about 110 lbs of compression the jug was very nice no scoring and the crosshatch was still there.
the upper ring was partially stuck crappy oil and bad tune was most likely what caused the problem.

 

[KG441c]

Wow! I bet new rings woulda fixed her

 

[bwalker]

none of those crowns look good.

The piston crown ran on Ultra doesn't look bad assuming it's been run high hours.
People have the unrealistic idea that the piston crown should be bare metal. If the crown is bare metal it simply means your running too rich or have minimal time on the motor.

 

[scallywag]

 

[bwalker]

And you think that looks better?? Buildup on the crown is normal the skirts, rings and pin should be clean, ultra provides that.

As does R50.

View attachment 448092

That's what I like to see. Proper tuning too!

 

[Ilmater]

BWalker, break it down for us, oil by oil. Andre, I'd like to see your opinions as well.

1. Belray H1-R
2. Motul 800 2T
3. Amsoil Dominator
4. Klotz R50
5. Maxima K2
6. Silkolene Pro 2
7. Yamalube 2R
8. Bailey's Full Synthetic

lets add:

9. Putoline RS959
10. Lubegard 2 Cycle oil (Liquid Wax Ester)
11. Torco GP-7
12. Legend ZX-2SR
13. Ipone Samurai
14. Blue Marble
15. LiquiMoly Racing Synth 2T
16. Lucas Semi Synthetic
17. Royal Purple HP 2-C
18. Renewable Lubricants Bio-SynXtra

 

[KG441c]

lets add:

9. Putoline RS959
10. Lubegard 2 Cycle oil (Liquid Wax Ester)
11. Torco GP-7
12. Legend ZX-2SR
13. Ipone Samurai
14. Blue Marble
15. LiquiMoly Racing Synth 2T
16. Lucas Semi Synthetic
17. Royal Purple HP 2-C
18. Renewable Lubricants Bio-SynXtra

2,4,5,7

 

[bwalker]

lets add:

9. Putoline RS959
10. Lubegard 2 Cycle oil (Liquid Wax Ester)
11. Torco GP-7
12. Legend ZX-2SR
13. Ipone Samurai
14. Blue Marble
15. LiquiMoly Racing Synth 2T
16. Lucas Semi Synthetic
17. Royal Purple HP 2-C
18. Renewable Lubricants Bio-SynXtra

None of those are widely available besides Lucas and RP. RP is a boat oil and Lucas is an injection/oil.

 

[Ilmater]

None of those are widely available besides Lucas and RP. RP is a boat oil and Lucas is an injection/oil.

Why limit oneself to only what brick and mortar stores carry? Amazon or Ebay constitute adequate availability as far as I'm concerned, but YMMV. That being said, one oil in my list, Lucas Semi syn can be bought from Napa Auto Parts stores.

P.S. Just because an oil is an "injection oil" doesn't mean it can't perform just as well in a premix application like a saw or other OPE.

 

[Deets066]

The title of this thread should be changed to-

The meaningless never ending banter of bullsh!t