661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[Moparmyway]

There was a thread here recently............. 661 ran on TCW-3 oil and just burned its second piston

 

[KG441c]

I think I need a new bilge pump on my saw or my bilge pump needs a port job!!

 

[Bwildered]

There was a thread here recently............. 661 ran on TCW-3 oil and just burned its second piston

Was it dedicated TCW-3 oil or a multipurpose oil that can be used where a TCW-3 is specified?

 

[KenJax Tree]

this week im burning motul 800 off road at 50:1 in my stuff i bet it will like it.

I bet it doesn't really know the difference

 

[bwalker]

Was it dedicated TCW-3 oil or a multipurpose oil that can be used where a TCW-3 is specified?

Multi purpose oils are tcw3 oils....
I challenge you to find one "multi purpose oil that is certified for use in a air cooled engine. I am talking actually certified, not claimed to meet or some such none sense.

 

[Ilmater]

Because it probably wouldn't pass given it appears to be a ashless boat oil.

Multi purpose oils are tcw3 oils....
I challenge you to find one "multi purpose oil that is certified for use in a air cooled engine. I am talking actually certified, not claimed to meet or some such none sense.

Oh looky here, TC-W3 oils that were tested have passed JASO FD as well:

This premium, power valve friendly, synthetic lubricant has been providing racers and enthusiasts with the best protection available for over three decades. The smoke-free formula and great smell will ensure that the riders behind you will enjoy the quality of Klotz® as much as you're enjoying the performance benefits. Exceeds NMMA TC-W3®, JASO FD(#236), ISO-EGD and API TC low ash specifications for certified warranty compliance in Ski Doo®, Polaris®, Yamaha®, and Arctic Cat® Snowmobiles. Not alcohol compatible.

Hi:

Like the others said, you want an oil thats designed for higher temps and states OK for air cooled 2 strokes. There are ash free and low ash oils that are made for air cooled , unlike the old days were ash free was only for water cooled. Ash free modern oils give less deposits. I like this one - actually removes old varnish from the inside of the engine and is great for engines that may sit for long periods (rust control).

Mystik Store - Mystik® JT-4® Ultimate High Performance 2-Cycle Engine Oil - Product Details

(Also includes a fuel stabilizer)

Can use in any 2 stroke- snowmobile to weed wacker.

 

[bwalker]

Oh looky here, TC-W3 oils that were tested have passed JASO FD as well:

The first oil isn't certified at all, it says "meets" tcw3. It doesn't claim to meet any other standard. It does list several standards ,but makes no claim .Klotz is FD certified, but doesn't claim to be tcw3 certified.
The mystic product Miles mentioned is a tcw3 boat oil and is certified. It doesn't carry any other certifications. Mystic does have fd certified oils. Sea and snow being one, which is ment for jet skis and sleds.

 

[KG441c]

Oh looky here, TC-W3 oils that were tested have passed JASO FD as well:

Its not Jaso certified. It doesnt have the official Jaso square box certification I listed earlier. They are only making the claim along with just about every other current topend oils out there

 

[KG441c]

I think Motul 710 has the official certification on their packaging

 

[Jimbo209]

The first oil isn't certified at all, it says "meets" tcw3. It doesn't claim to meet any other standard. It does list several standards ,but makes no claim .Klotz is FD certified, but doesn't claim to be tcw3 certified.

Excuse my ignorance but unless tcw3has been photoshopped on to that bottle who's is it in the middle if the label,
Is that because "Klotz think" that it meets the standard or will,perform adequately

Otherwise its massive false advertising.

 

[KG441c]

Excuse my ignorance but unless tcw3has been photoshopped on to that bottle who's is it in the middle if the label,
Is that because "Klotz think" that it meets the standard or will,perform adequately

Otherwise its massive false advertising.

Its not officially certified

 

[Bwildered]

Multi purpose oils are tcw3 oils....
I challenge you to find one "multi purpose oil that is certified for use in a air cooled engine. I am talking actually certified, not claimed to meet or some such none sense.

No they are not, as shown can be used in a variety of engine types, just because you may have been certified doesn't nessesarily mean we have to have certified oils, event the manufacturers don't have certified oils but they meet or exceed the standards

 

[Jimbo209]

Its not Jaso certified. It doesnt have the official Jaso square box certification I listed earlier. They are only making the claim along with just about every other current topend oils out there

How strenuous is getting certification.

I know you can get cheap(er) pesticide free produce from farmers that are trying to go organic as it's a 8-10 process to be "CERTIFIED"

But not sure if people in this thread would buy that as it's got less "Additives" and such

 

[KG441c]

The download post I posted earlier goes into detail of the test and parameters. FA being the least strenuous test and FD being the highest classification of test passed

 

[Bwildered]

How strenuous is getting certification

Probably very easily, hopefully they will let us out on good behaviour once they see we were only sucked into the doublespeak ruse.
Stangst

 

[bwalker]

Its not Jaso certified. It doesnt have the official Jaso square box certification I listed earlier. They are only making the claim along with just about every other current topend oils out there

Read carefully, they make no claim at all. As to FD. They claim to meet boat oil standards, but haven't been actually certified.

 

[bwalker]

No they are not, as shown can be used in a variety of engine types, just because you have been certified doesn't nessesarily mean we have to have certified oils, event the manufacturers don't have certified oils but they meet or exceed the standards

Yes, they are, and rhat hasn't been show at all. Stihl spwcifivally says no to multipurpose oils...
Husky, stihl, and echo along with others have FD certified oils. They do not have boat oil certified oils...hint.. hint

 

[Bwildered]

Yes, they are, and rhat hasn't been show at all. Stihl spwcifivally says no to multipurpose oils...
Husky, stihl, and echo along with others have FD certified oils. They do not have boat oil certified oils...hint.. hint

Your changing the subject, we're not discussing chainsaw manufacturers now just multipurpose oils, it must be a girly man type argument ploy your used to using to steer away from where you've been shown up.

 

[bwalker]

Your changing the subject, we're not discussing chainsaw manufacturers now just multipurpose oils, it must be a girly man type argument ploy your used to using to steer away from where you've been shown up.

You haven't shown anything other than you haven't a clue and that your completely wrong per usual..

 

[KG441c]

See the square box with the certifications in them? If it doesnt have that box with lettering its a no go!! MA2 is JASO certification for wet clutch performace standards