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Any actual problems with Amsoil
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Fish
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I always believe the first one to use the word "laminar".
serussell
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Gosh, did I start this? All this over a little oil? If this is all it takes to get this group started, I just can't wait! Yes it is the old synthetic vs minieral oil rumble, and all I asked is "did anyone ACTUALLY HAVE problems with amsoil 2 cycle oil." So far only one has actually hinted at a failure and I am still questioning how much of that was actually the oil.
oil does it every time .. that dam slippery stuff
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Bad E, I need to explain something to you. A couple of the regulars here reject that which they do not understand or have not experienced. You can't argue with them because they will discount everything you post. In any of these discussions, they won't post facts to discredit what you post, just opinions. If you start posting facts, they will turn into smart a**es and you will get disgusted with their behavior and quit. Then they will toss comments around saying how you didn't know anything and they know it all. It happens over and over again. There are a few here not to learn but to show everyone how much they think they know. Then there are alot of individuals here that are interested in learning but they're not typing.
Bad E, I know your engine runs cooler, my bike does too.
Bad E, I know your engine runs cooler, my bike does too.
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Fish said:
Excellent post Fish. Poop is about to hit the fan.
Some "old timers" on here still think the old ways are the best and refuse to consider new advances. If synthetic oil were not better why does virtually every auto, motorcycle, go kart, snowmobile, boat, and dare I say it....chainsaw racer use it. Do they use it because they want thier expensive race engines to blow up, develop less power, and need more frequent rebuilds?Must be something to that friction thing.
serussell
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Bad E said:
Without actually getting into the middle of this, I must say, well said.
Ok, explain in a technical matter what is behind such friction reductions. Show me some data.
The articles posted didnt say much of anything BTW.
My point is that you guys have no way of knowing what is causing a temp reduction. It could be the additive package, viscosity, operating conditions, carb tuning etc.
BTW if this is the Amsoil5w40 atv oil it has been formulated to JASO MA specs which means it has ENOUGH friction to make a wet clutch work.
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I use syntheitcs in most of my stuff btw and am well aware of what their advantages are.
And notice Mobil doesnt make these BS claims......
I told you that I use only Amsoil in my Rhino. In no other application...one motor out of the eight motors I currently own. But you can't step past "AMSOIL". Please Tree Co. lay down on my virtual on line couch and tell Dr. Bad E when did your unreasonable hatred of Amsoil products start.TreeCo said:
others do, do you hate them as well.bwalker said:
http://www.royalpurple.com/techi/whyrpi.html
The Focus
Royal Purple strives to produce lubricants that provide the highest level of performance available on the market today. Because Royal Purple's sole focus is to create state-of-the-art lubricants it develops products that significantly outperform in laboratory settings and more importantly, in the field.
The Myth
Many view lubricants as a commodity, where low price and service issues dominate purchasing decisions. Therefore, oil companies seeking large market share have a great incentive to keep manufacturing costs low and little incentive to dispel the myth and upgrade the quality of their lubricants.
Royal Purple, however, recognizes that lubricants are not commodities. Reliable equipment operation critically depends upon the quality of the lubricant used. Lubricant performance directly and significantly affects how long, how reliable, how efficient and at what cost (i.e. parts, labor, downtime, number of oil changes and energy costs) your equipment will operate. For instance, lubrication-related failures account for 54 percent of all bearing failures.
The Key
The key to Royal Purple's ability to outperform leading synthetic-based and mineral-based oils is Synerlec®, the cornerstone of Royal Purple's entire line of products. Synerlec® is Royal Purple's proprietary, lubricant additive technology that strengthens the oil film to provide extra protection and performance.
The Performance
High Film Strength
By definition, film strength is a lubricant property that acts to prevent scuffing or scoring of metal parts. Film strength is measured by the American Society for Testing Materials' (ASTM) Timken OK Load test, which measures the heaviest load that a lubricant will sustain without scoring the test block. Royal Purple's film strength is up to 400 percent stronger than other synthetics, which greatly reduces wear and extends equipment life.
Continuous Protection
Royal Purple continuously protects because Synerlec® continuously adheres to metal parts — even after shutdown. The thin film of oil that remains after shutdown preserves parts and provides instant lubrication at start-up until a full fluid oil film can be established.
Reduced Friction
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The primary purpose of any lubricant is to reduce friction. Reductions in friction can substantially increase equipment performance and extend equipment life. As measured in the Falex No. 1 Friction Test, Royal Purple reduces friction up to 78.7 percent when compared against conventional lubricants.
Reduced Vibration
The severity of bearing vibrations is directly related to the condition of the bearing and the quality of lubrication. Royal Purple significantly reduces bearing vibrations, noise and temperatures. In the following example of a 200 hp roots blower, Royal Purple reduces vibrations by approximately 95 percent in only three days.
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After Switching to Royal Purple Synfilm® GT
Start of Test
1.5 Hours Later
3 Days Later
Reducing vibrations extends equipment life in proportion to the reduction in vibrations as shown in this table. For example, according to Reliability magazine, reducing vibrations by 50 percent increases ball bearing life by 700 percent and other rolling element bearings by 908 percent.
Impact of Vibration Reduction
on Bearing Life
Assuming Dynamic Load is the
Major Force Component
% Reduction in Vibration
% Increase in Bearing Life
Ball Bearing Types
Other Rolling Element Bearing
5
17
19
10
37
42
15
63
72
20
95
110
25
137
161
30
192
228
40
363
449
Micro-polishes surface irregularities
Royal Purple micro-polishes asperities (irregularities on bearing surfaces that prevent the lubricant from fully separating components) to further reduce friction.
A new bearing surface appears smooth until magnified 1500X The same bearing surface roughened after using a leading synthetic oil. The same bearing surface after being micro-polished by Royal Purple.
Notice that after using Royal Purple® the bearing surface is now significantly smoother than it originally was. Smoother surfaces reduce friction.
Superior Water Separation
Many oils emulsify with water, which shortens the life of both the oil and the equipment it lubricates. Royal Purple rapidly separates from water, allowing for easy removal of water from the bottom of the oil reservoir.
Effect of Moisture Content on Machine Life
Current Moisture Level (PPM) \ Life Extention Factor (LEF)
2x
3x
4x
5x
6x
7x
8x
9x
10x
50,000
12,500
6,500
4,500
3,125
2,500
2,000
1,500
1,000
782
25,000
6,250
3,250
2,250
1,563
1,250
1,000
750
500
391
10,000
2,500
1,300
900
625
500
400
300
200
156
5,000
1,250
650
450
313
250
200
150
100
78
2,500
625
325
225
156
125
100
75
50
39
1,000
250
130
90
63
50
40
30
20
16
500
125
65
45
31
25
20
15
10
8
250
63
33
23
16
13
10
8
5
4
100
25
13
9
6
5
4
3
2
2
Reducing the water content in oil from 500 ppm to 45 ppm increases the machine life by 400 percent.
Corrosion / Rust Protection
Royal Purple provides outstanding corrosion and rust protection to ferrous and nonferrous metals. It excels in the ASTM's Copper Corrosion test and Cincinnati Milacron test and continually protects as a result of its ability to constantly adhere to metal surfaces.
Longer Oil Life
Many lubricants have a short service life because they lack oxidation stability. Oxidation causes increased viscosity and oxidized oil deposits. A product's ability to resist oxidation is measured by the ASTM's Turbine Oil Stability Test (TOST) and Dry Air Oxidation test and the ASTM’s Thin Film Oxidation Uptake Test (TFOUT). Royal Purple not only surpasses leading mineral-based and synthetic-based oils in these tests but also outlasts the duration of the TFOUT test. Royal Purple's superior oxidation stability and its ability to clean deposits left by previous oils results in fewer oil changes, saving time, money and the environment.
Cleaner Oil
Royal Purple's best-selling industrial lubricants are filtered to a level 150 to 200 times cleaner than conventional lubricants. Cleaner lubricants reduce wear to extend engine and equipment life.
Conventional lubricant cleanliness
(magnified 100X)
Royal Purple's cleanliness
(magnified 100X)
Improving the ISO 4406:99 cleanliness level of a hydraulic oil from 20 / 17 to 13 / 11 will increase the hydraulic system life by 6 (600 percent). Royal Purple is typically filtered to a cleanliness level of 14 / 13 / 11.
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Effect of Fluid Cleanliness on Hydraulic System Life
Current Machine Cleanliness (ISO 4406) \ Life Extention Factor (LEF)
2x
3x
4x
5x
6x
7x
8x
9x
10x
23 / 20
20 / 17
19 / 16
18 / 15
17 / 14
17 / 13
16 / 13
16 / 12
15 / 12
15 / 11
22 / 19
19 / 16
18 / 15
17 / 14
16 / 13
16 / 12
15 / 12
14 / 11
14 / 10
14 / 10
21 / 18
18 / 15
17 / 14
16 / 13
15 / 12
15 / 11
14 / 11
14 / 10
14 / 10
13 / 10
20 / 17
17 / 14
16 / 13
15 / 12
14 / 11
13 / 11
13 / 10
13 / 9
12 / 9
12 / 8
Royal Purple's lubricants are packaged in new, clean poly drums, pails and bottles to ensure that product cleanliness is maintained from blend to delivery. Couple this with Royal Purple's state-of-the-art precision blends, and you'll always receive the same, dependable product each and every time.
The Result
Switching to Royal Purple will produce meaningful immediate and long-term results. Royal Purple delivers significantly improved equipment reliability and uptime, plus reductions in energy and maintenance costs. While actual savings will vary from plant to plant, many companies have documented millions of dollars in savings per year after converting to Royal Purple's lubricants.
Energy and maintenance savings typically cover the cost of the oil within a few months, turning what was once an expense into a profit. In refrigeration compressors alone, Royal Purple produced an average energy savings of 10.11 percent. [Read the Machinery Lubrication article documenting the independent tests.] Even the smallest reductions in energy savings can drastically leverage savings. The following chart, taken from the Machinery Lubrication article, illustrates this point.
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No.
Company -
Location
Comp.
Type
HP
Prev. Oil
Elec. Cost
kwhr ($)
1000 hr
Oper. Cost
($)
Savings
Percent
Savings
per
1000 hrs.
($)
1
Cold Storage Plant -
Georgia
screw
75
mineral
0.0500
3,108.38
9.20
285.97
2
Food Plant -
Arkansas
screw
300
synthetic
0.0400
9.946.80
7.90
785.80
3
Food Plant -
Arkansas
recip.*
300
synthetic
0.0400
9,946.80
9.19
914.11
4
Food Plant -
Iowa
screw
400
mineral
0.0550
18.235.80
11.48
2,093.47
5
Food Plant -
Kansas
recip.
200
mineral
0.0500
8,289.00
11.53
955.72
For more information on Royal Purple's industrial products or for assistance in determining the correct product for your application, contact Royal Purple's Industrial Technical Services Department at 888-382-6300 or email Technical Support.
I wont be using that crap either.
Any company that needs to use smoke and mirrors to sell wont be getting my $$$.
Any company that needs to use smoke and mirrors to sell wont be getting my $$$.
serussell
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Well, I am going to gas up the boat again, I think i will use amsoil at 80-1, just like I have for the past 3 years. Gosh, just which I could justify going back to using mineral oil at 50-1, that way there would be too much smoke around and people wouldn't want to be on the boat and I wouldn't need to buy so much gas.
If your getting alot of smoke with 50:1 in your boat your using bad oil.
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TreeCo said:
I don't use Amsoil and never have. I use Mobil 1 and Redline. I switched to Mobil 1 on my bike because I was at the limit of thermal breakdown of a petroleum oil on my bike. Mobil 1 adds insurance. And yes Mr Walker, it is a wet clutch. And no Mr Walker, I have not had any problems with it even though it was not designed for a motorcycle and has friction modifiers in it.
And yes, Mobil 1 reduced temperatures considerably on my bike, just like Bad E's experience with Amsoil and his Rhino.
So tell me Mr Walker, if the temperature on my bike is reduced and it's not because of the oil and nothing else has changed, where has the heat been going for the last 2+ years?
I can't wait for your answer.
must be global cooling again
QUOTE]And yes Mr Walker, it is a wet clutch. And no Mr Walker, I have not had any problems with it even though it was not designed for a motorcycle and has friction modifiers in it.[/QUOTE]
I have used a variety of mobil 1 grades in my bikes for years. Including 10w30 that has friction modifiers and its always worked fine.
I have used a variety of mobil 1 grades in my bikes for years. Including 10w30 that has friction modifiers and its always worked fine.
How can you prove it? I have never noticed any reduction in temps when using Mobil 1 on any of the trucks/cars and bikes I have used it in.
my wood burner runs cooler on amsoil to
