No. Just bolt it on. It's a little harder to get the clutch cover off. I've got one I'll trade you for a half wrap if you want, or Bryce had some new ones on Ebay a while back, if you need a nice one.
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No. Just bolt it on. It's a little harder to get the clutch cover off. I've got one I'll trade you for a half wrap if you want, or Bryce had some new ones on Ebay a while back, if you need a nice one.
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Pioneer reeds
Part # 801 reeds for Pioneers saw. $28.00 shipped from Boyesen
Duane
Part # 801 reeds for Pioneers saw. $28.00 shipped from Boyesen
Duane
Is that 40 series, or 50/60 series?
timberdollars
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Pioneer reeds
I installed a new P/C on my P42 today so did some checking on things.
THE REEDS ARE ALL THE SAME!!! I was told they were and I pulled my 2 stage from my P42 and compared them to the metal reed in my 525! SAME
FYI: reed thickness for Boyesen 2 stage from a P42 ( main BIG reed .030", smaller reed .018)
reed from my 405 that is OEM fiberglass (.021)
Duane
I installed a new P/C on my P42 today so did some checking on things.
THE REEDS ARE ALL THE SAME!!! I was told they were and I pulled my 2 stage from my P42 and compared them to the metal reed in my 525! SAME
FYI: reed thickness for Boyesen 2 stage from a P42 ( main BIG reed .030", smaller reed .018)
reed from my 405 that is OEM fiberglass (.021)
Duane
Pioneer Pseries Tool Kit
This is a Pioneer Pseries tool kit I picked up yesterday along with a few saws. I beleive it came with a P41 that was purchased new. First one I have been able to find. Hope it is complete. The bucking spike fits the 40 size saws. Also picked up a saw with a serial tag P65CB, it has grey handles and the decals are for a PRO 655 saw. (Air cover, rewind, clutch cover and top handle). Not sure of the story on the saw. I thought all 655 would have a Poulan weedeater serial tag. I bought the saw as a 655. Suprised to see the serial tag. A P65 might be the better find?? Will post photos soon
This is a Pioneer Pseries tool kit I picked up yesterday along with a few saws. I beleive it came with a P41 that was purchased new. First one I have been able to find. Hope it is complete. The bucking spike fits the 40 size saws. Also picked up a saw with a serial tag P65CB, it has grey handles and the decals are for a PRO 655 saw. (Air cover, rewind, clutch cover and top handle). Not sure of the story on the saw. I thought all 655 would have a Poulan weedeater serial tag. I bought the saw as a 655. Suprised to see the serial tag. A P65 might be the better find?? Will post photos soon
chuckkayak
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Pioneer, Pioneer/Partner, Poulan Pro Question
Not sure if this is the right place to ask or not....so here goes,
Pioneer P series saws run on 24:1 fuel mix, Pioneer/Partner P saws run on 40:1 fuel mix and Poulan Pro saw's like the 655, which is similar too the Pioneer P61 and Pioneer/Partner p62HP run on 50:1 fuel mix, So my question is since these saws are similar in design what is the reason for the difference in fuel mix ratio's? Does it have to do with the piston ring thickness? Thanks..
Not sure if this is the right place to ask or not....so here goes,
Pioneer P series saws run on 24:1 fuel mix, Pioneer/Partner P saws run on 40:1 fuel mix and Poulan Pro saw's like the 655, which is similar too the Pioneer P61 and Pioneer/Partner p62HP run on 50:1 fuel mix, So my question is since these saws are similar in design what is the reason for the difference in fuel mix ratio's? Does it have to do with the piston ring thickness? Thanks..
timberdollars
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My 405 to 455
Ok picked up a 455 Boost Port (third port) Piston/cylinder for $80.00, then another for $50.00 so decided to switch both my pp405s to 455. Before starting I tried everything to get power outta my 405 boost port saw with no results. My other non boost port saw and P42 both have TONS of power the boost port one is a complete DOG!!!!
I KNOW WHY NOW!!! this has been a learning experience I never imagined. the 405 boost ports are covered, there is NO cut out in the case for them, completely COVERED!!!! and the other two normal ports are VERY VERY small compared to all Pioneer P series. Or any saw for that matter!! I checked my 455 parts saw with boost port and SAME!!!!! no case cut out. WTF!!!!! I know they tried to increase velocity and turbulence with smaller ports but again WTF!!!!
THERES a cut out now!!!! and I lowered the boost port cut on the cylinder while porting.
The 405 boost port cylinder is marked 50zn7 denoting 50mm 455 size but its not, its still the INCH size 1.875 P41/42
I have pictures of a new 455 boost port, then it ported. Please note: smaller ports on the NOS 455 than pictured P42 western.
Also note the UPDATED improved con rod compared to the old Pioneers.
Duane
Ok picked up a 455 Boost Port (third port) Piston/cylinder for $80.00, then another for $50.00 so decided to switch both my pp405s to 455. Before starting I tried everything to get power outta my 405 boost port saw with no results. My other non boost port saw and P42 both have TONS of power the boost port one is a complete DOG!!!!
I KNOW WHY NOW!!! this has been a learning experience I never imagined. the 405 boost ports are covered, there is NO cut out in the case for them, completely COVERED!!!! and the other two normal ports are VERY VERY small compared to all Pioneer P series. Or any saw for that matter!! I checked my 455 parts saw with boost port and SAME!!!!! no case cut out. WTF!!!!! I know they tried to increase velocity and turbulence with smaller ports but again WTF!!!!
THERES a cut out now!!!! and I lowered the boost port cut on the cylinder while porting.
The 405 boost port cylinder is marked 50zn7 denoting 50mm 455 size but its not, its still the INCH size 1.875 P41/42
I have pictures of a new 455 boost port, then it ported. Please note: smaller ports on the NOS 455 than pictured P42 western.
Also note the UPDATED improved con rod compared to the old Pioneers.
Duane
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It has to do with the age of the saws and the oil technology at the time. Real old saws used to call for 16:1 because they were basically using motor oil from a car for mix. You can run them all at 50:1 now with the better oils. I like to stay at 40:1 just to be on the safe side.
timberdollars
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Poulan 405 455 525 pics
New 455, 405 boost port with smallish exguast!!! seen with piston, 525 Boost port
Duane
New 455, 405 boost port with smallish exguast!!! seen with piston, 525 Boost port
Duane
timberdollars
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pp455 piston/cylinder
455 piston cylinder pics, for Boost Port, thick ring, next to P42
Completed 405 to 455 TRUE BOOST PORT NOW!!
Duane
455 piston cylinder pics, for Boost Port, thick ring, next to P42
Completed 405 to 455 TRUE BOOST PORT NOW!!
Duane
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I run every saw I own on 50:1 without any problem (at least one recommends 16:1).
I run none of them with ethanol... I use Av Gas. I poured out Av Gas (& Stihl Dino) 1.5 years old that looked and performed like the day I mixed it. Please don't try that with ethanol.
Lou
timberdollars
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Fuel ratio
I ran 50:1 in everything never a issue, always ran Stihl regular with 92 octane. I use NON ethanol too!!! Some stations here sell it.
Just switched to 40:1 for no other reason except my Saw cans are 2.0 gallon, Stihl bottles for 2 gal are hard harder to get than 2.5 gal bottles. A 2.5 gal bottle into 2.0 gallon can is 40:1 ish or fine by me.
Duane
I ran 50:1 in everything never a issue, always ran Stihl regular with 92 octane. I use NON ethanol too!!! Some stations here sell it.
Just switched to 40:1 for no other reason except my Saw cans are 2.0 gallon, Stihl bottles for 2 gal are hard harder to get than 2.5 gal bottles. A 2.5 gal bottle into 2.0 gallon can is 40:1 ish or fine by me.
Duane
A little info
Hello, im new to the site. I just picked up this saw at an estate sale for 30 bucks. I came home, put new gas (40:1), new plug and cleaned the air filter. It started after about 10 pulls. Fired right up and ran great. It has a 28 inch bar and no hand guard. That is about the extent of what i know about it. I did look at some of the threads on this site and saw the website that has the specs on the pioneer saws. So any info would be great. Is this a good saw? Manuals? Best way to take care of it? Things to watch out for? Is it a P42HP? The plate on the bottom has a different model # but i cant find anything on that model#. Also what is the button just to the left of the spark plug? Is it a kill switch? Which would be weird to have a kill switch right below the on/off switch. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.
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Hello, im new to the site. I just picked up this saw at an estate sale for 30 bucks. I came home, put new gas (40:1), new plug and cleaned the air filter. It started after about 10 pulls. Fired right up and ran great. It has a 28 inch bar and no hand guard. That is about the extent of what i know about it. I did look at some of the threads on this site and saw the website that has the specs on the pioneer saws. So any info would be great. Is this a good saw? Manuals? Best way to take care of it? Things to watch out for? Is it a P42HP? The plate on the bottom has a different model # but i cant find anything on that model#. Also what is the button just to the left of the spark plug? Is it a kill switch? Which would be weird to have a kill switch right below the on/off switch. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.
Morris101
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Warped5
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Hiya Morrris - You got a nice runner for cheap! Nice going! Here is what I know .... made by Pioneer/Partner ... yep, its a P42HP .... I'd guess that button is a decompression jobber .... HERE is the link to the Acres site ... other members will give you more details on your new toy than I am able to ...
I have the same saw. The P42 is a good saw. The black button you speak of is a decomp valve. The purpose is for easier starting... press it in and it relieves some of the compression for easier pulling. Do not use it to kill the engine, use the on/off switch above it.
Nice. Thanks for the heads up. Just put a new chain on it. Im excited to put it to work.
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Convert .058 Gauge Pioneer bar to .063?
It was suggested to me by another sawyer that a .058 bar can be made into a .063 by grinding the groove with a .063 width grinding wheel, thus making it easier to find chains to fit. Anyone ever try this?:msp_confused: Looks like there are some .063 die grinder wheels out there.
It was suggested to me by another sawyer that a .058 bar can be made into a .063 by grinding the groove with a .063 width grinding wheel, thus making it easier to find chains to fit. Anyone ever try this?:msp_confused: Looks like there are some .063 die grinder wheels out there.
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