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Sorry about the mis cue on the carb settings, I figured you'd be a little rich with 1 1/4 out. Glad you got some help!! It sounds pretty strong.

Yes, I think so. There is a member here that goes by tjbeir, he has a really nice avatar of a blonde smiling over a mug of beer. (cleavage on said blonde too... :))

Mis cue? What mis cue? Oh, yeah, I tend to miss cue ball when shooting pool... :D

I am glad my neighbor could help. I knew it'd be a good idea to see if he was able to show me how to tune a carb. :) He has a better ear for it than I do, but I will learn it, from there, it's like riding a bike. :)
 
Big block your 610!
just kidding;);)

I don't know about big blocking it, but I do know I am on the lookout for a cheap one that runs to do a port and polish job on. :) I heard they blow up when you get past 12,500 rpms... does anyone know if this is true or not? If it is, maybe I need ARP to make a set of rod bolts for it. :)
 
Big block your 610!
just kidding;);)

That is actually a good idea, I think I saw one that had a 70cc motor. I would start looking for a old 1-42 or a 250, something older but still able to scrounge for parts. A big old Homelite might also fill the bill, spread your wings a little.
 
That is actually a good idea, I think I saw one that had a 70cc motor. I would start looking for a old 1-42 or a 250, something older but still able to scrounge for parts. A big old Homelite might also fill the bill, spread your wings a little.

Yeah, it's quite a bit of work, though. I heard that there are no engines that match the mounting points on the 610 chassis, so custom brackets and stuff like that are neccessary... I might be wrong though.

I am looking at a 250 another member here mentioned selling... I think I'll pick it up. It's too nice to tear apart to make a 610 monsterosity, though.
 
My 250 is waiting its turn for me to work my magic. I will probably drag it around with me when it is up and running and put it in the firewood rotation. I am waiting to hear from a fellow tomorrow morning about a yellow saw he has been tripping over so saving up my money.
 
My 250 is waiting its turn for me to work my magic. I will probably drag it around with me when it is up and running and put it in the firewood rotation. I am waiting to hear from a fellow tomorrow morning about a yellow saw he has been tripping over so saving up my money.

:) Yellow fever now, eh? You're veering away from the red! :laugh: Yellow fever is sinister that way. :)
 
:) Yellow fever now, eh? You're veering away from the red! :laugh: Yellow fever is sinister that way. :)

No just having a hard time finding old Homelites so I'm picking up what old McCulloch's I can find. Here is a video of what I did today.[video=youtube;0QtfGaXs7PE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QtfGaXs7PE[/video]
 
A deal is a deal. I'll go check my stock. Glad to see you got her done. I should just box my SP81 up and flip a coin between you and Stinkbait to pick one of you to put it back together. Just kidding as I want to try my hand at it.

Ron

Good luck on your SP81. I think you'll get her fixed up and running well. :) Are you porting it? :)
 
Just took stock. Pickings are slim but these are what I got: well used 20" MAC sprocket tip (replaceable); NOS 20" Sandvik/Windsor Speed Tip (bought it new 20 to 25 years ago and lost the spring spacers as slot is .375" wide); and a good 28" MAC hardnose. Your choice or should we vote on it? Ron
 
Don't really have the tools to port it, but I probably will smooth of the exhaust port. Ron

That'll still help. :) You will probably see a big casting flash in the port, that almost looks like a flange... that's what I ground down. If you were to look inside the cylinder at the port, you will see the original metal bevel that was left there at the factory, I left that alone, as modifying it would basically mean I raised the port. I just took a little sandpaper and smoothed it out a little to make the casting bumps smaller. It worked. :)

Also, for installing the piston with new rings... that was easy... if I had made sure I got ALL of the carbon out of the ring grooves... I failed to do so, and that caused some problems. So, clean grooves are mandatory. :)

You can simply coat the bearings, piston and rings thoroughly in oil and set it in the cylinder as close to level as possible.

Then tap it in with a soft faced hammer. Alternate sides as you are tapping, I did two taps a side, switching every two taps.

I have a fancy Snap-Off :laugh: piston installation hammer, it worked really well. Any soft faced (plastic, rubber) hammer will work. I installed the piston and crank together as an assembly... I did not take the connecting rod off the crank.

I put it together and made sure it turned freely, then I simply put the piston at TDC, then lifted the crank bearings out of the cylinder half, then laid the beads of RTV under where the bearings go. Set the crank in, bearings all lined up properly, and then laid the main bead of RTV around the case half. I did only one case half...

I have heard many people complain about how much RTV oozes out when the lay a bead on both halves... well, yeah, it's gonna ooze, you don't need that much RTV. I had a little bit of oozing, but it really was minimal. I honestly think very tiny amounts of it oozed into the crankcase. I put a really thin bead on, actually, it was more of a flat bead, with most of the RTV towards the outside of the case half.

Geez, I writing a book. :dizzy:
 
I would go with the 28" hard nose but I'm old school. With a 8 pin I think the well used 20 with replaceable sprocket will be the way to go, just remember to replace the sprocket, and dress the rails when you get it.
 
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I would go with the 28" hard nose but I'm old school. With a 8 pin I think the well used 20 with replicable sprocket will be the way to go, just remember to replace the sprocket, and dress the rails when you get it.

I think the sprocket is still plenty good; I just wanted to make sure he knew it has seen plenty of wood. A 24" strikes a good balance with these saws but I don't have an extra one to offer him. I have run a 28" hardnose on my PM700 for years - doesn't sit very well but for me it is great for getting every last stick of firewood from a tree branch - just need to use it enough that it becomes an extension of your arm and you know where that tip is. I have no experience with an 8 pin but I would assume that if my 700 works with a 7 pin the 850 ought to do as well with a 8 pin. Ron
 
Just took stock. Pickings are slim but these are what I got: well used 20" MAC sprocket tip (replaceable); NOS 20" Sandvik/Windsor Speed Tip (bought it new 20 to 25 years ago and lost the spring spacers as slot is .375" wide); and a good 28" MAC hardnose. Your choice or should we vote on it? Ron

I like the sound of the hardnose. :) I also wanted the extra reach to help with felling a bigger tree and ease of limbing. I want to avoid bending over, lol.

Running a hardnose, a little more slack in the chain is necessary, right? I've never run a hardnose bar before.

Rails will be dressed before I put it on. :) Learned that it makes a huge difference in cutting after I let them knife edge on the 610.
 
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I think the sprocket is still plenty good; I just wanted to make sure he knew it has seen plenty of wood. A 24" strikes a good balance with these saws but I don't have an extra one to offer him. I have run a 28" hardnose on my PM700 for years - doesn't sit very well but for me it is great for getting every last stick of firewood from a tree branch - just need to use it enough that it becomes an extension of your arm and you know where that tip is. I have no experience with an 8 pin but I would assume that if my 700 works with a 7 pin the 850 ought to do as well with a 8 pin. Ron

Sorry I must have read it wrong I thought the sprocket was used up. Too much exhaust fumes today. When I think of a 28" hard nose I automatically think of .404 or 1/2 chain, I forget about 3/8 sometimes. I would recommend the 28" then sense he has a 20" bar off his 610 as a back up.
 

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