Stihl discontinued ms441 c-m?

[MustangMike]

Don, the 441 C has M-Tronic, Spring AV, and the tech to keep the filter clean longer. The 461 lacks those features, but is the same wt and stronger (more ccs).

Many like the traditional features of the 461, others like the smoothness of the 441 (I think it is one of Randy's favorite saws).

The 441 also added some girth over the 440, which drew a lot of critics.

My non M-Tronic 441 cut just like my 044 (when it was bone stock). The M-Tronic versions are generally considered to run a little stronger.

The 441 is more like a Caddy, the 461 is more like a Vette, like everything else, depends on what you want from your equipment.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

If you tune your saws well i personally think mtrons have really no advantage other than they keep guys who dont know what their doin from cookin their saws.

Guys ive met that are shocked of how well their mtronic saw runs are the same guys who had no clue how to tune their saw to run to its potential , prior their saws were too lean or pig rich so naturally they were impressed with how mtrons ran.

I like the updates on some models but wish their were standard carbys on em'.

I never get what i want .. not even new teef

 

[brockhaskins]

I love my 461. I did cut with a 441 once and it was smooth but I like 461 better. I'm not convinced m-tronic is the greatest thing either but I've never ran one. I just feel comfortable be able to tune my stuff my self

 

[MustangMike]

Ryan, if I'm not mistakin, you were one of the ones who posted the M-Tronic 441 was a little stronger than the non M-Tronic one. Perhaps that changes if you remove the limiters, etc.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Ryan, if I'm not mistakin, you were one of the ones who posted the M-Tronic 441 was a little stronger than the non M-Tronic one. Perhaps that changes if you remove the limiters, etc.

No wasnt me ..or what i said wasnt interpreted correctly , mtrons have their advantages no doubt but i dont see any power difference from a saw thats tuned correctly...AS blows some things out of proportion , ive spent the last few years learnin from guys with 30+ years under their belt in the game and when i make mention of what i read on here with certain things ..they laugh , i dont care what people like or use..im not the one usin it.

 

[MustangMike]

Memory is the 2nd thing to go: Wasn't me, didn't say it ...

From 4/20/14:

"The m tronic runs better..but its not quite as big as some make it..but then again 2 seconds is huge to some people..to me its not..i like the new technology for other reasons than speed of cut , such as leak detection."

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Memory is the 2nd thing to go: Wasn't me, didn't say it ...

From 4/20/14:

"The m tronic runs better..but its not quite as big as some make it..but then again 2 seconds is huge to some people..to me its not..i like the new technology for other reasons than speed of cut , such as leak detection."

Like i said mike a second or 2 , and yes on a saw out of the box it absolutely does run better , but not if you know how to tune them .. i had a 361 that had the limiters on it still and the screws had never been touched..it was pitiful

 

[MustangMike]

Ryan, my non M-Tronic saws run just fine, I know how to tune them.

But I don't believe that you, or anyone else can start cutting in the morning at say 42 degrees, in soft poplar, and continue into the afternoon at over 80 degrees, in some hard Shag Bark Hickory, and keep the saw perfectly tuned for the conditions all day long. Likely, the tune you settle on is a bit of a compromise.

You may be selling it, but I'm not buying it. Some people may prefer not to have it, but M-Tronic and Auto Tune have their advantages. I'd be happy not to have to carry the little screw driver around.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Ryan, my non M-Tronic saws run just fine, I know how to tune them.

But I don't believe that you, or anyone else can start cutting in the morning at say 42 degrees, in soft poplar, and continue into the afternoon at over 80 degrees, in some hard Shag Bark Hickory, and keep the saw perfectly tuned for the conditions all day long. Likely, the tune you settle on is a bit of a compromise.

You may be selling it, but I'm not buying it. Some people may prefer not to have it, but M-Tronic and Auto Tune have their advantages. I'd be happy not to have to carry the little screw driver around.

Im not selling anything mike i dont care what you like , saws are a hobby for you , i like the way they run but its not a necessity to me , my coil **** itself on my 362 and my 241 started actin retarded last monday , reliability wins when you have to make money with them..im not a good saw mechanic by any means im average on my best day.. i want them to start and run , thats it ..

 

[MustangMike]

Sorry you are having troubles with them, hope it works out, but I don't think a bad coil has anything to do with it being M-Tronic.

Had to do the re set procedure on my 362 after I got it back from being ported, I think because Randy runs 32 to 1 and I run 40 to 1.

Anyway, it ran flawlessly before that, and has been flawless since then, an I run it more than the others.

I'll agree that reliability is an important factor. When you want to use them, you want to use them! Best of luck resolving your issues.

 

[Scott Kelly]

You could have one (used some, LOL) delivered to your door.

Personally, I can't see why all the fuss as I have both a MS440 and a MS441. The 441 seems heavier and the handle cover/presence lever tends to fly off unannounced.

But, I don't cut wood, burn wood, just rebuild old saws................................

You better not be selling my 441...

 

[67L36Driver]

You better not be selling my 441...

First peckerwood with cash in fist on my doorstep gets it!

 

[mdavlee]

I'm happy with the little screw drivers. The mtronic don't run rich enough to me for milling some. A 661 non mtronic would be sweet.

 

[Hayden]

Stihl Australia stopped importing / stocking MS441 saws in March 2015 with the normal procedure of not telling anyone so the model can be cleared from retailers.
Why? The MS461 has an excellent reputation, more power, same weight and was almost the same price, so simply hardly anyone brought the MS441's in Australia. Stihl AU has kept the old Brizilan made MS381 model in it's product line to fill the MS441 gap.
I've noticed that the MS441 has disappeared from the major Stihl dealer websites in the USA and you just would not do that if the saw is just out of stock.
Personally I'm expecting a completely new model to replace MS381/MS441 and possibly MS461 at the start of next year, there is a picture of it on another forum.

 

[MustangMike]

In another thread, there are new 261 & 362 models, lighter & more power. I can not imagine they reworked them and not the 441.

US dealers were just told there was a "production delay" with the 441. When I heard that, I thought something was up.

The new 261 & 362s are being made in the US, but I thing 441 production is still in Germany.

 

[cary911]

 

[RLfailuer]

441 is not showing up on the stihl webpage.

 

[Stihlman441]

One of my most used saw the 441CM R

 

[Rockjock]

The MS441 is in stock here in Ontario. Much like the 661 gents I can facilitate getting you the saw if you wish. stock shows 100+ in pretty much all bar lengths.

 

[nitehawk55]

I talked to my contact in the Tech Dept. a few weeks ago and no issues getting the 441 and no changes or a replacement on the radar either but there is supposed to be a 462 CM in the works .