Which Klotz?

[komatsuvarna]

I probably coundnt wear out a pro saw in 2 lifetimes no more wood than i cut. I feel alittle better running the best oil in ported saws, especially the ones bumping 15K.

Main i reason i want to switch is the smell of ultra. Sounds dumb, but the ultra kills my head in just a little bit. In the woods where no air is moving, less than that.

 

[Slamm]

Show me 1 time I have EVER whined to you Sam. Ive NEVER even mentioned you being a logger until now......But whatever Sam, your right.

Dude, your post above sounds like a little playground girl, what with all the STUD LOGGER crap and the bow downs", just letting you know that you don't really have to feel inferior to me, cause you sound like you do have some sort of inferior complex or something.

I was just wondering if there is any difference in the long run, as I have used total crap oil and now I use some really good oil and the end result is no problems with either after years of use. I get the quality oil for a similar price as the cheap oil so its a no brainer for me, but I was just wondering if the efforts of others with regards to the literally splitting of hairs as to the quality of "higher" quality oil makes a nickels worth of difference.

You gots you a modded 660 now, so you can be a big stud, right?

It will be okay, go hold your 660 for a little while, and let the "man-ness" seep into you through osmosis.

Sam

 

[MacLaren]

Dude, your post above sounds like a little playground girl, what with all the STUD LOGGER crap and the bow downs", just letting you know that you don't really have to feel inferior to me, cause you sound like you do have some sort of inferior complex or something.

I was just wondering if there is any difference in the long run, as I have used total crap oil and now I use some really good oil and the end result is no problems with either after years of use. I get the quality oil for a similar price as the cheap oil so its a no brainer for me, but I was just wondering if the efforts of others with regards to the literally splitting of hairs as to the quality of "higher" quality oil makes a nickels worth of difference.

You gots you a modded 660 now, so you can be a big stud, right?

It will be okay, go hold your 660 for a little while, and let the "man-ness" seep into you through osmosis.

Sam

10-4 Sam.

 

[Tzed250]

Just wondering, beyond using a good synthetic, does it really make a nickels worth of difference in the overall life of a saw's PC which of these oils that you use?

I mean, it seems more time is spent "wondering" which oil is the best, when it isn't even possible that 97% of the people in these threads to even "wear out" a typical PC on most any brand of saw.

Just wondering,

Sam

I would hypothesize that wondering about people wondering could be expressed as wondering raised to the second power. I believe that it could then be classified as a waste of time an order of magnitude greater than the root wondering.

More study will be needed to strengthen the theory. Maybe I should get a grant writer on the job. That's it!!!!! BRB.....

 

[Andyshine77]

Almost, but not quite :msp_biggrin:. Castor is still in widespread use by kart racers, model engine groups, roadracers, MX, etc. When you say esters wil do pretty much anything that castor will do that is correct. The one thing they wont do is, as you mentioned, grow polymer chains in extreme heat. Esters break down in this environment, like most any other lubricant. This nasty gummy layer of varnish you talk about I have not seen in decades. The de-gummed racing castor available now is quite clean. I ran my TZ250 for an entire season on castor based lube. It was pulled down after every race weekend and there were never any deposits that couldn't wiped off with a rag. To show the amount of trust I had in castor oil, I was using it to protect an engine that had two piston/cylinder sets that cost $600 each to replace. The crank set was $1800 by itself. The only thing I had to do was replace the pistons at the end of their scheduled life. I also trusted the oil to keep my hind end safe. A top end siezure while headed into the backstraight dip at Road Atlanta at 160MPH is a rather undesirable thing.

I'm not about to tell anybody what oil to run. But I can share my own personal results with oils that have worked for me. Ever since Stihl introduced the Ultra synthetic my OPE has been run run with a pre-mix of Ultra at the recommended ratio, with one ounce per gallon of Klotz Super Techniplate added. My top ends have stayed clean as a whistle.

That was the list I was talking about, and unfortunately the two stroke bikes are getting few and far between. I have seen a few bikes with stuck power valves running caster oil, and I didn't like what I saw with 927 or Klotz super, both run extremely dirty in my experience. There was an old school thread about 927 when big Dave was still porting a lot of saws. 927 and Klotz Super simply do not burn clean in saw, I've seen just too much evidence. Don't get me wrong you're not going to blow up an engine running caster oil, it's just that they're much better options IMHO. And lets not forget castor oil doesn't like cold temps.

 

[Stumpys Customs]

Stumpy why don't you deliver it to us? We'll order a gallon of it up. I can promise a pile of logs to cut on and some good food.

That would be a hell of a shipping bill on you guys.:hmm3grin2orange: But if you want to pay my way I'll sell you a Drum of it ( I can git it by the drum too) fer a lil over my cost.:hmm3grin2orange:
I can git most of the items listed in gallons/4 liter bottles too.

 

[Mastermind]

I was wondering when someone would wander through and comment about the wonderment in this most civil of oil threads. :hmm3grin2orange:

Thanks Slamm!!!!

You super stud logger and stuff.

 

[paccity]

heres one that i use now and then . not a big co. but have herd good things about it. Dumonde Tech DTP .View attachment 208667

 

[mdavlee]

That would be a hell of a shipping bill on you guys.:hmm3grin2orange: But if you want to pay my way I'll sell you a Drum of it ( I can git it by the drum too) fer a lil over my cost.:hmm3grin2orange:
I can git most of the items listed in gallons/4 liter bottles too.

I thought you might bring it to us just to visit the hills of east Tennessee:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Stumpys Customs]

I thought you might bring it to us just to visit the hills of east Tennessee:hmm3grin2orange:

Wish I could buddy. Maybee one of these days I'll be rich & famous & be able to travel around to hand deliver saws & stuff.

 

[MacLaren]

Wish I could buddy. Maybee one of these days I'll be rich & famous & be able to travel around to hand deliver saws & stuff.

Now that would be COOL! The saw Santa! :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Slamm]

I would hypothesize that wondering about people wondering could be expressed as wondering raised to the second power. I believe that it could then be classified as a waste of time an order of magnitude greater than the root wondering.

More study will be needed to strengthen the theory. Maybe I should get a grant writer on the job. That's it!!!!! BRB.....

Excellent notion, I shall then, ponder your hypothesization of my wondering about the wonderment of other's concerning the hair splitting differences of 2 stroke oil.

A waste of time, none the less.

Let me know how that grant process goes, as if its productive in providing some cash, I would be interested in it. It seems in this liberal run government times you would have a good change of getting something out of it, as it seems just a worthy of funding as any of the other moronic things the government spends ........ wastes money on.

Sam

 

[paccity]

Excellent notion, I shall then, ponder your hypothesization of my wondering about the wonderment of other's concerning the hair splitting differences of 2 stroke oil.

A waste of time, none the less.

Let me know how that grant process goes, as if its productive in providing some cash, I would be interested in it. It seems in this liberal run government times you would have a good change of getting something out of it, as it seems just a worthy of funding as any of the other moronic things the government spends ........ wastes money on.

Sam

when is it a waste of time to have a decent disscusion about anything. ?

 

[Slamm]

when is it a waste of time to have a decent disscusion about anything. ?

Well, never, is one answer, but another answer is when it has been beat into the ground, past the surface of the earth and is now hitting the earth's continental plates, and the devil is looking up wondering if its going to infect hell, and soon instead of using sharp prods and heat hotter than fire, the punishment will be having the fallen sit around a campfire quietly as a leading demon reads aloud the various threads and post on Arboristsite about oil.

Take your pick, of answers, I think, either one is quite valid.

Sam

 

[one.man.band]

when is it a waste of time to have a decent disscusion about anything. ?

one thing does come to mind......

telling your wife about the benefits of a particular 2-stroke oil.

 

[Mastermind]

Well, never, is one answer, but another answer is when it has been beat into the ground, past the surface of the earth and is now hitting the earth's continental plates, and the devil is looking up wondering if its going to infect hell, and soon instead of using sharp prods and heat hotter than fire, the punishment will be having the fallen sit around a campfire quietly as a leading demon reads aloud the various threads and post on Arboristsite about oil.

Take your pick, of answers, I think, either one is quite valid.

Sam

Forgive me Sam but I've noticed a trend... You seem to show up in threads you say have zero merit. Do you not have anything better to do than troll threads that are below your impeccable standards. I've just curious why you would waste your time?

 

[paccity]

Well, never, is one answer, but another answer is when it has been beat into the ground, past the surface of the earth and is now hitting the earth's continental plates, and the devil is looking up wondering if its going to infect hell, and soon instead of using sharp prods and heat hotter than fire, the punishment will be having the fallen sit around a campfire quietly as a leading demon reads aloud the various threads and post on Arboristsite about oil.

Take your pick, of answers, I think, either one is quite valid.

Sam

then don't read them.:smile2:

 

[Slamm]

Forgive me Sam but I've noticed a trend... You seem to show up in threads you say have zero merit. Do you not have anything better to do than troll threads that are below your impeccable standards. I've just curious why you would waste your time?

For the same reason they are started, I'm just bored, LOL.

I asked a legitamate question, its Macleran that got his sack in a twist. I was just wondering if people really think it makes a nickel's worth of difference. If someone else wants to get ignorant, I'm not above taking a thread to any level that the next person wants it to go. I asked a question and he wants to act like a little girl about it.

After that we're just having fun, its just an oil thread. Are you guy's really that into it?

Sam

 

[K&L Landscaping]

Well crap!! This was a fun/interesting thread while it lasted but it looks like it's past the point of no return now.

 

[Slamm]

Well crap!! This was a fun/interesting thread while it lasted but it looks like it's past the point of no return now.

Oh, not to worry, there are maybe 150-1000 other threads just like it, I mean, just exactly like it. Their a lot better when Gary gets into it, as he has his own brand of oil and it trumphs all other brands and ratios, hand down.

Lol,

Sam