MS441 R C-M M-Tronic Review and Mods

[inthewoodsagain]

My Stihls are/were miserly with the bar oil. The 460R oiler upgrade was the ticket for my 361, wonder if the 441 can be upgraded.

Hi, have 8 441cm oiler up grades on order as you are correct that the standard pump stuggles even with stihl Bioplus which we have to use as near rivers and enviro etc. Also bought the larger sprocket covers and the bigger dawgs / "bumpers"- (called this in the UK!) for the covers as we are cutting alot of (sadley) oak.

 

[Slamm]

Hi, have 8 441cm oiler up grades on order as you are correct that the standard pump stuggles even with stihl Bioplus which we have to use as near rivers and enviro etc. Also bought the larger sprocket covers and the bigger dawgs / "bumpers"- (called this in the UK!) for the covers as we are cutting alot of (sadley) oak.

My 441R's (better oilers) do fine with 28" bars (with any crap bar oil you can find) when stock or modded to a portion of their potential. Once I got version 2 (current version) of the porting job done on the 441's, and they really, really came alive, then the basic/cheaper bar oil was not working anymore, and I had to use Stihl bar oil to fix the problem of oiling a 28" bar. That said, I'm only getting maybe 1/2 to 3/4 of the oil tank empty before the gas tank needs to be refilled. So that is still miserly oil use, as it isn't a 1:1 ratio of oil tank to gas tank, but again by using Stihl bar oil, I have not found the need to have to use more of the cheaper bar oil, so I'm actually saving money, buy using the more expensive bar oil made by Stihl, as I know the Tractor Supply oil will not work.

Sam

 

[Slamm]

Hi, have 8 441cm oiler up grades on order as you are correct that the standard pump stuggles even with stihl Bioplus which we have to use as near rivers and enviro etc. Also bought the larger sprocket covers and the bigger dawgs / "bumpers"- (called this in the UK!) for the covers as we are cutting alot of (sadley) oak.

Just curious, why you didn't just get Wrapped or 441R models to begin with. Then you would have had all of those options on there. I just wish, we could get the R models with the (for me) useless Wrap handle, as I have several that I need to sell with more coming that will need to be sold. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to sell them with the correct handle bar on it, LOL.

Sam

 

[MCW]

NON OF THIS TESTING IS SCIENTIFIC! We try and do the best that can be done under normal, non-laboratory settings.

Hi Nik.
You forgot to add...

"NON OF THIS TESTING IS SCIENTIFIC! We try and do the best that can be done under normal, non-laboratory settings. With beer".

 

[inthewoodsagain]

Did a MM last week and finally took the time to take a couple pics.

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Hi I like the mod but I don't understand the small pipe? I know you have to have spark arrester screen so why none on the mod? All we did was follow the rule of 80% (ish) of cylinder exhaust "dia", milled out the original exhaust oulet by this amount on spec ie accurate, remounted exhaust and ran as a tune up ie stop. 5 cuts. stop etc! Saw is different machine. You have to tune the saw to the bar or wood. by this method. It learns. I am so impressed with them(441cm) that we have an avide Husky user on our payrol and he is a full convert!!

 

[inthewoodsagain]

Sounds like a serious bit of kit. What did you do to the under reving saws, swap out the ignition modules?

Hi. no it was simple! In EC/UK our carbs have "limiters" on them and it was just a question of "remove!!" and closining up the mixture as they were running VERY rich. I do not understand how in this eco-world they "make every thing either (2stroke engine) weak or strong mix?? All saws now run with a nice exhaust colour and heaps of power( the old ones) The m-tronics are a marvel and do this themselves but you have to tune each saw with it bar. Stihl say this, so I cannot understand why people do not do it?!! It makes such a huge difference. Will never buy any more 460 as these are old and the 441cm's do it for us. Next will be 661 and if proven, maybe a 881???? Who knows all our wood is oak and very old large 300year plus old trees so we need great saws. I will trade all the old big saws in as and when the technology is availiable on the new 660,880. Brilliant. Will always buy Stihl in the UK as parts etc is second to NONE

 

[albert]

Slamm, depending on the mods done, I'm sure your using more fuel than if stock so I'm not surprised you still have 1/4 tank or more of oil left when fuel is empty.

 

[forestryworks]

Heard the 661 is gonna be auto tune or M-Tronic w/e the hell it's called. Probably have spring AV too.

 

[inthewoodsagain]

ITWA Im sorry but I cannot grasp the problem you are having with " awful petrol " you are in Nth Yorks not Nth Tibet ! do you mean that as with all unleaded it is "going off" if that is the case then try Briggs & Stratton fuel fit it works very well.
In an earlier post you stated that it was "illegal" to use more than a 25" bar on a 441 in the UK I assume that you were refering to operators that have not compleated the NPTC CS modules required ?
The vast majority of members here are based in the USA so our, European, practices are worlds apart and we seem to be quite lucky in the fuel issue compared to the nightmare of additives they have to suffer !

Yes I do live in North Yorks and NO I do not live in Tibet so you are correct! We live in remote North Yorks ie 18 miles from an independent filling station, and in winter months fuel ie petol gets stale.We have tried briggs equivalent but it is not a mistery that fuel is changing, and because I buy in bulk we have issues hence why i buy 25 litres drums of none branded Ultra oil from the manufacture. Stihl UK do not recomend for use above 25" bar for the 441cm and only what is recommended in the current UK brochure. I see you are from Eire. I cannot buy a saw from you under Stihl's marketing policy. Yes you can buy bigger bars on you own but not officially and this brings HSE in to equation. All Our staff are trained with big bar usage but they are all Stihl branded bars and chain sets as they are compatable and safe in the right hands

 

[WoodChuck'r]

Okay this thread needs to die until the saw comparison is ready and once we know what the what-what is we can move on.

This thread is constantly bumped to the top and every time I hope it's saw info and it's usually anything but!


Nik/Andre/Brad hurry up with this **** or I'll start posting lot's of gangsta rap videos!! I can't help but do it when I get bored!!

:spam:

 

[inthewoodsagain]

Just curious, why you didn't just get Wrapped or 441R models to begin with. Then you would have had all of those options on there. I just wish, we could get the R models with the (for me) useless Wrap handle, as I have several that I need to sell with more coming that will need to be sold. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to sell them with the correct handle bar on it, LOL.

Sam

Inspite of being a big user of Stihl, they will not supply us with "wrap handles"! as ia big NO NO!! so am looking to US? They are availiable in UK if you use the 460 Rescue saw and are emergency services but will not supply normal dealers. We work on hillsides and so would suit the wrap handle but cannot get it!! How much is it extra?

 

[blsnelling]

maybe you and Andre can have a gay husky wedding.:msp_ohmy:

Where's the like x 1000 button, lol? That was hillarious.

 

[inthewoodsagain]

Slamm, depending on the mods done, I'm sure your using more fuel than if stock so I'm not surprised you still have 1/4 tank or more of oil left when fuel is empty.

Hi. only one saw has had the " full treatmeant and that was "no1" the rest are waiting for the oiler kits etc. Yes you have to watch the bar oil fling but hey, it will get an oiler also so no probs. They are great saws so am happy. How much for a wrap handle to UK?

 

[blsnelling]

Nik/Andre/Brad hurry up with this **** or I'll start posting lot's of gangsta rap videos!! I can't help but do it when I get bored!!

:spam:

Andre, PLEASE hurry and post a vid, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!:msp_w00t:

 

[WoodChuck'r]

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Okay I'm feeling a little diverse at the moment.

I mean who doesn't love the Gabe?!

 

[blsnelling]

Okay I'm feeling a little diverse at the moment.

I mean who doesn't love the Gabe?!

Sounds like something you should save for you and Andre's wedding, lol.

 

[MacLaren]

Well I hope the husky wins since its mine. I don't think either is a bad choice.

Mike, that Stihl is a real runner for sure. But I think in the end, the Husqvarna will be atleast 10% faster. I say that because even w/out a MM the big Swede was only 4/10th behind the Stihl.

 

[BlackAdder]

ITWA. I think you mentioned that in the past you used to run Huskys. If so, did you run any 372s, and how do you think the 441CM compares?

 

[dave k]

ITWA , yes I am based in the R of I and said nothing about selling saws ? we are all part of EEC and as such you can buy from anywhere in that area and still comply with HSE as all items must comply with a base standard which is why a company down in London is doing a roaring trade in Stihl with it's very cheap saws !
If you do go down the road of the wrap then you will want to fit the heavy duty AV springs, they are avalible as a kit I just replaced a standard set on my standard 441 and it feels like a new saw. I have a 441 ported by Brad the OP of this thread and look forward to seeing the 441 CM when it's done as I work in mostly hardwoods Beech, Oak etc and find the extra power very useful.

 

[WoodChuck'r]

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